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09/24/12 12:58 PM
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This isn't so much a gripe, which I am sure it will sound like, just a question of whether you guys that hunt public deal with this very often. Me and my buddy pulled up on our spot at 430am Saturday morning to find a fella shuttling people back and forth to it. Well, he was there first no problem. We pull up a couple hundred yards away and set up and just get whipped. Not a single bird and only took two shots at a group passing that we felt like we could hit...Just how it goes sometimes I think. They get their limits in about an hour and we head out around the same time. The fella that beat us in there is a guide and he told me he had been out there since about 3am and told me that is what he always does. Gets out there and sets up then goes and gets his clients at the ramp and brings them back before LST. I am new to duck hunting in Texas and I don't think he was doing anything wrong. I don't usually get beat to a spot so it aggravated me a little but, I don't blame him. He is just trying to make a living. Just wondering if this was something that guides make a habit of doing and if it was something you guys encounter regularly. If so I guess I need to change tactics....
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Re: Question
[Re: masagaut]
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09/24/12 01:06 PM
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Thats why I don't hunt public and its only gonna get worst .
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09/24/12 01:09 PM
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The vast majority of guides never hunt public land. In fact, if I go with a guide, its not for his expertise, its just to get access to his land. Most of the time I'd really prefer that the guide not even be there. But I digress. Yes, that is standard issue for guides on public land. And if you start getting up earlier, he will just get there that much earlier. Think if he got stuck in the spot you hunted, but with paying clients. He's got more riding on it than just a hunt.
On another side note, things like this got to the extreme on public lands in Arkansas, just short of all out turf war. Now there is no guiding on public land in Arkansas. Period. (well, except one really big chunk that is usually accessed from private land anyway, and is so big you'll rarely see anyone else).
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Re: Question
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09/24/12 01:18 PM
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Yeah, that is what I was thinking. I totally agree with what you said about him just getting up that much earlier. I know he has more riding on it than just a good hunt for him and his buddy. All the shooting they were doing was like a knife in my gut lol. I knew they were in there. He also informed me that he found the spot the day before the last day of the season last year and informed me he was sitting at the boat ramp and heard a bunch of shooting so he went and checked it out that afternoon. All the shooting he heard was me and the same buddy I was with on Saturday. lol He did compliment me on picking up all my empties which made it more difficult to find the spot we hunted but, still found it and that is exactly where he was sitting on Saturday.
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09/24/12 01:25 PM
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Sue, why do you think it will get worse? What is the reasoning? I have noticed a LOT more people on the lakes in duck boats this year and talking about duck hunting. People that I know that have never talked about it before. I was thinking there was a new influx of duck hunters. But, thought it was my imagination. Does anyone have any theories. Mine is "Duck Dynasty" lol
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09/24/12 01:25 PM
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When I find a hot spot on public I sleep on the water, with clients or without. Fortunately there are no clients involved and I have gone private for the most part.
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09/24/12 02:21 PM
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Bang scout him or shadow him around to find his spots. lol
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09/24/12 02:54 PM
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Sue, why do you think it will get worse? What is the reasoning? I have noticed a LOT more people on the lakes in duck boats this year and talking about duck hunting. People that I know that have never talked about it before. I was thinking there was a new influx of duck hunters. But, thought it was my imagination. Does anyone have any theories. Mine is "Duck Dynasty" lol The Internet is why. Look at all the forums with guys showing their boats and successful hunts on public. Others will mimick. Plus it is a blast.
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09/24/12 03:16 PM
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All the Airboat guides on Texoma do this. They get there early. Set up. Go get the johns right before shooting time. Been that way since I started hunting the lake in 1980.
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09/24/12 03:18 PM
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I for one am happy to see more people getting into duck hunting.
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09/24/12 03:21 PM
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I wish I could say that I was happy to see more people duck hunting. Duck hunting is a beating...Don't get me wrong I love it. But, it is a constant thing. Year round there is always something to be done that pertains to duck hunting. I wish there were more kids getting into and people bringing their kids with them. All the new people out jacking around can be exhausting though.
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09/24/12 03:37 PM
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Well, now we're a bit off topic, but I too think that increased participation is a good thing. The way to help cut down on the topwaterness out there is to take these new guys out and show them the ropes. I try to take at least 4 to 5 new people every year. Most have some outdoor experience, but little to no duck hunting.
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09/24/12 06:53 PM
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My Duck Hunting Buddies and I have REALLY noticed the same thing w/ hunting public waters the last 3 to 4 yrs., and I have talked to some of the new guys that we see that are new to our hunting area's and alot of them said that they switched over to Duck Hunting because they can't afford their Deer Leases and Deer Hunting anymore!!
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09/24/12 07:11 PM
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This isn't so much a gripe, which I am sure it will sound like, just a question of whether you guys that hunt public deal with this very often. Me and my buddy pulled up on our spot at 430am Saturday morning to find a fella shuttling people back and forth to it. Well, he was there first no problem. We pull up a couple hundred yards away and set up and just get whipped. Not a single bird and only took two shots at a group passing that we felt like we could hit...Just how it goes sometimes I think. They get their limits in about an hour and we head out around the same time. The fella that beat us in there is a guide and he told me he had been out there since about 3am and told me that is what he always does. Gets out there and sets up then goes and gets his clients at the ramp and brings them back before LST. I am new to duck hunting in Texas and I don't think he was doing anything wrong. I don't usually get beat to a spot so it aggravated me a little but, I don't blame him. He is just trying to make a living. Just wondering if this was something that guides make a habit of doing and if it was something you guys encounter regularly. If so I guess I need to change tactics.... pimping public I wonder how long those paying customers will continue to pay him to hunt the same spot?
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09/24/12 08:26 PM
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I for one am happy to see more people getting into duck hunting. that makes 1 of us... now back to the original topic. As much as I hate guides on public water, I think what he did is the correct thing to do. He beat you to the spot fair and square. The fact that he left to pick up his clients at the ramp is irrelevent.
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09/25/12 12:56 AM
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09/25/12 03:31 AM
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I for one am happy to see more people getting into duck hunting. that makes 1 of us... now back to the original topic. As much as I hate guides on public water, I think what he did is the correct thing to do. He beat you to the spot fair and square. The fact that he left to pick up his clients at the ramp is irrelevent. As long as he is not just throwing out the dekes the night before and showing back up at LST with his John. Getting up early to get to your spot just to find it covered up with dekes and no one around sucks.
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09/25/12 04:01 AM
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I for one am happy to see more people getting into duck hunting. that makes 1 of us... now back to the original topic. As much as I hate guides on public water, I think what he did is the correct thing to do. He beat you to the spot fair and square. The fact that he left to pick up his clients at the ramp is irrelevent. As long as he is not just throwing out the dekes the night before and showing back up at LST with his John. Getting up early to get to your spot just to find it covered up with dekes and no one around sucks. That would be when you pick up those dekes, place them on the bank and put yours out.
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09/25/12 04:08 AM
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As long as he is not just throwing out the dekes the night before and showing back up at LST with his John.
Getting up early to get to your spot just to find it covered up with dekes and no one around sucks.
That would be when you pick up those dekes, place them on the bank and put yours out. I hope you bring some brass knuckles because you'll be fighting. I'm not saying its right to do that, but not everybody feels the same way.
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09/25/12 04:25 AM
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I've beaten a guide to a spot before on public land. Must be pretty embarrassing for them. We had a few words and he left to go to a back up spot.
If I came up to a spot and there were decoys or even decoys and a light but no person around I wouldn't hesitate to pile everything up and throw my gear out. If he shows up ready to fight then that's what he will get.
I always wonder what a guide does if someone shows up while he goes to pick up his clients.
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09/25/12 04:40 AM
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09/25/12 12:23 PM
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LOL, I understand that he beat me out there. I don't have a problem with that. That is the name of the game on public. I get it. Granted, it is aggravating as I am sure it is to others on here who have experienced it. I was really just wondering if others had run into this. If this was common practice. I wasn't saying there was anything ethically wrong with it. Just kind of made me think and wondered if anyone else had run into it. I for one HAVE pulled up on about two dozen dekes with a maglight duck taped to a stump...I pulled up all the dekes piled em in the brush and put the maglight with them. Tried to make sure I didn't mess anything up. Thing is though, no one ever showed up LOL. I just moved em over to the bank when I left. I was sitting there the whole morning in the dark wondering about how it was gonna go down with the guy when he showed up. Beating someone somewhere is one thing...putting out dekes and heading home to hub up to your old lady while someone else tries to get to that spot is a chicken spit move.
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09/25/12 12:33 PM
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As long as he is not just throwing out the dekes the night before and showing back up at LST with his John.
Getting up early to get to your spot just to find it covered up with dekes and no one around sucks.
That would be when you pick up those dekes, place them on the bank and put yours out. I hope you bring some brass knuckles because you'll be fighting. I'm not saying its right to do that, but not everybody feels the same way. That is why you pick up said decoys and start chunking them up into the branches of the nearest tree. Then just go about your business.
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09/25/12 12:37 PM
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I've beaten a guide to a spot before on public land. Must be pretty embarrassing for them. We had a few words and he left to go to a back up spot.
If I came up to a spot and there were decoys or even decoys and a light but no person around I wouldn't hesitate to pile everything up and throw my gear out. If he shows up ready to fight then that's what he will get.
I always wonder what a guide does if someone shows up while he goes to pick up his clients. That was kinda funny that morning though, you could tell he didn't expect anyone to be there from that closer ramp. Came running in with no nav lights, no spot lights, nothing. I yelled at him a bit for that, after he sat just outside our spread for like 10 min. Guess he was thinking about backup plans.
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