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ADULT family members and guests hunting off the same lease membership #3597553 09/23/12 10:15 PM
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What are the rules on your lease concerning adult family members hunting off a single lease membership? We have a guy on our lease who got upset with the lease president because he will not let his 18-year-old son hunt off his membership. Our lease president says that because his son is now 18, he must purchase his own membership and cannot hunt off his dad's harvest quota as he has done in years past.

I agree with our lease president.


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Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: Texas Dan] #3597575 09/23/12 10:23 PM
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Well Obama just called and said he's not a MAN until he's 26, so there you have it. The lease president is wrong. I don't really see what it matters if the kid kills 1 deer verses buying a membership and killing 2,3,4 or 5.

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Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: grout-scout] #3597594 09/23/12 10:30 PM
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What difference does it make? As long as the son shoots off of dad's quota, who give's a carp? The deer lease should be a place that family can make memories and enjoy themselves.

By the same token, the wives shouldn't be allowed to hunt without a membership. They're over 18, too. Stupid rule if you ask me.


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Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: LandPirate] #3597603 09/23/12 10:32 PM
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My dad and I are on a lease, both full separate memberships. We were told that we may bring visitors/wives, but they will come off our quota.

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Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Stupid rule if you ask me.



Yep for sure!

Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: grout-scout] #3597610 09/23/12 10:36 PM
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Think about it. If one person brings his wife and son and they all hunt and are able to kill a full quota of deer, that's 3 times the original membership. Say you have an 800 acre lease with 6 full members. Assuming all bring wife and son, you now have 18 members.

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Yes and surely there is a max number of hunters allowed on this lease? Maybe they are trying to get rid of him.

Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: grout-scout] #3597648 09/23/12 10:49 PM
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Sounds kinda dumb if he's been doing it all along why should it change to where the guy can't hunt




Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: Jacob645] #3597674 09/23/12 11:03 PM
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[quote=Jacob645]Think about it. If one person brings his wife and son and they all hunt and are able to kill a full quota of deer, that's 3 times the original membership. Say you have an 800 acre lease with 6 full members. Assuming all bring wife and son, you now have 18 members. [/quote

How so?

If the paid member's quota is (for argument's sake) a trophy, a cull and two does, does it matter who shoots those 4 deer, as long as no more than those 4 are shot?

If deer shot by guest go against the paid member's quota then the quota cannot be exceeded. So who cares who shoots the quota, as long as the quota isn't exceeded.

Guest do not get their own quota.


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Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: LandPirate] #3597692 09/23/12 11:06 PM
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LandPirate, I agree with you. Some leases though, allow children of members to have their own quota until they turn 18. In essence you and your kid could each kill a trophy

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If it's off the leaser's license, how does it matter? I suppose it would matter what the lease agreement was, allowing family to hunt on his tag or not. If not then it makes sense.


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At my lease if he was in college he could still hunt under his dad.

Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: Jacob645] #3597724 09/23/12 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jacob645
LandPirate, I agree with you. Some leases though, allow children of members to have their own quota until they turn 18. In essence you and your kid could each kill a trophy


I've been on a lot of leases over the years and have never been on one that allowed guest or family to have their own quota. Every lease I've ever been on gives each paid hunter a quota. If he chooses to allow his wife/son/daughter/grandchild/neighbor/co-worker/whatever to shoot his quota then that's his business. Just so long as his quota is not exceeded.


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Re: Family members hunting off the same lease membership [Re: Damon69] #3597726 09/23/12 11:19 PM
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Wife & I are both "paid" hunters! We can bring a guest after 1st 2 weekends but any animals comes off our quota.....guests can only shoot spikes, does, & deformed racks (spike on one side, forked on the other).......


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Originally Posted By: Jacob645
Think about it. If one person brings his wife and son and they all hunt and are able to kill a full quota of deer, that's 3 times the original membership. Say you have an 800 acre lease with 6 full members. Assuming all bring wife and son, you now have 18 members.


That pretty much sums up how I feel as well, with exception that I don't feel adults should be able to hunt on a routine basis off another member's quota. I don't have a problem with kids hunting off a member's quota, but you have to drawn the line somewhere on when a full membership is necessary. It points to why many leases take the position of charging "per gun" to avoid the ones who want to freeload the entire family on a single membership.

Anyone 18 or over can only hunt under their own membership, or under guest guidelines.


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My last lease in Hebronville was MLD. Each paid member had a large quota of bucks and does. Does were mandatory and before Dec. 01. Management and cull bucks were strongly urged. The trophies were up to the hunter.

In the time that I was on the lease buck quotas were between 4 and 6 per member. Does were between 6 and 8 per member. That's a lot of deer. More deer than any one person wanted to shoot, clean and process. As a result, some years the management plan wasn't met.

Each member was encouraged to bring guests and let them at the least shoot does, management and culls. If you let someone shoot your trophy, then was your business.

In fact, we could even sell deer off of quota. You could sell to other members or bring your own paid guests. Every deer shot was closely monitored. They each had to be photoed, weighed, measured, bottom jaw removed and left for the biologist, logged and emailed. The system worked very well.


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I say let the family hunt, heck your only allowed X amount of deer so hows it matter. Family and kids being with me is a big deal and is a deal breaker for us as to why we own our own place now but I would for sure still love a great STX place with MLD that allows family.


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Originally Posted By: Hunt n Fish
Wife & I are both "paid" hunters! We can bring a guest after 1st 2 weekends but any animals comes off our quota.....guests can only shoot spikes, does, & deformed racks (spike on one side, forked on the other).......
That's the way it should be ,right there. And like LP said,what does it matter if it all comes off of ONE TAG!


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I just don't see how it matters. If I'm the land owner and I set the quota at X number of deer per paid hunter, it wouldn't matter to me. If the paid hunter let someone else shoot his quota then that's his business. Once the quota is met, he's done until next year.

This doesn't affect any of the other hunters. There would have to be a caveat that guests would have to hunt with their host and in their host's stand(s). If guests were allowed to hunt another paid member's stand then that would be an issue.


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Man I'm glad I don't have to put up with stupid lease rules.

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i can take 5 deer my guest can shoot spike doe or deformed antler which comes off my total deer quota.

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So let me get this right. Some of you feel that it's okay for a guy with a wife , three adult kids, and three or four grandkids to all hunt under a single lease membership?

IMO, it borders on taking all of them to the all-you-can-eat dinner and putting as much as you can on the plate after paying for just one person. You paid for a quota to be consumed by just one, rather than nine.


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On our lease we don't care who shoots it as long as it comes off your quote.

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Originally Posted By: bigbuck1
On our lease we don't care who shoots it as long as it comes off your quote.


So technically, a member could keep bringing as many people and guns as he/she wants until they've all shot the member's quota of deer.


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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
IMO, it borders on taking all of them to the all-you-can-eat dinner and putting as much as you can on the plate after paying for just one person. You paid for a quota to be consumed by just one, rather than nine.


Not exactly, it's more like buying one hamburger, one order of fries, and one drink and splitting it two or three ways or whatever.

I don't really care who shoots your quota, as long as everyone's honest about what is harvested.

Besides, I don't want to prevent anyone from being able to enjoy hunting with their family.

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