So the #4 black clouds shot the clays better than the #8's??

Dang, who are you?

Hey Hopedale its been a while, I got hung up over @ the TFF because the tournament fishing bug is eating me alive, wanting to get back in that game after being away from it for about 14 years, just can't aford to scratch that itch right now so talking about sooths the pain a little......
I got another box of BC I plan to burn on some clays before to long, I'm jumping from the BC ship and I going to climb on board the Hevi Metal train. I saw some gel block test done using Hevi Metal comparing it to BC and regular steel loads. This stuff is vicious and it looks like I can use it for about what I pay for BC if I shop around......

My 2 cents on shells is this, I hunt prollly 75 days a duck season ( calm down I hunt in the HPMMU ) I have seen and shot almost every brand of amo out there. I really think its next to impossible to have an input on any amo out there if all you have shot of that certain amo is 1 box. If you dont likre the price, then dont buy it! Its real simple, You dont need to start bashing someone over an amo that you have never shot, or will never shoot over the princeple that it cost more than YOU are willing to pay. Now if you have shot at least 10 boxes of it and still think its crap then state your reasons why its bad or a gimick. If your only reason is your to cheap or jealous that someone shoots it then keep it to yourself. Until you have on hands experience with it and by that I mean 10 boxes or more, then keep your trap shut because you know not of what you speak of! I could have charts and graphs that say Ford pickups get crappy fuel mileage, but if all I drive is a Chevy and never drove a Ford how would I really know?? So if you hate BC or heavy meatal, or Hypersonic, or tungston, or whatever then tell us why after you shoot 250 rounds and then tell us why they didnt perform to your standards and what was the are you shot in and where, were the shots taken ( 25, 35, 45, or 50 yards ) very simple. Until then if all you have is someone elses data or numbers then what you say doesnt amount to a hill of beans.

My 2 cents on shells is this, I hunt prollly 75 days a duck season ( calm down I hunt in the HPMMU ) I have seen and shot almost every brand of amo out there. I really think its next to impossible to have an input on any amo out there if all you have shot of that certain amo is 1 box. If you dont likre the price, then dont buy it! Its real simple, You dont need to start bashing someone over an amo that you have never shot, or will never shoot over the princeple that it cost more than YOU are willing to pay. Now if you have shot at least 10 boxes of it and still think its crap then state your reasons why its bad or a gimick. If your only reason is your to cheap or jealous that someone shoots it then keep it to yourself. Until you have on hands experience with it and by that I mean 10 boxes or more, then keep your trap shut because you know not of what you speak of! I could have charts and graphs that say Ford pickups get crappy fuel mileage, but if all I drive is a Chevy and never drove a Ford how would I really know?? So if you hate BC or heavy meatal, or Hypersonic, or tungston, or whatever then tell us why after you shoot 250 rounds and then tell us why they didnt perform to your standards and what was the are you shot in and where, were the shots taken ( 25, 35, 45, or 50 yards ) very simple. Until then if all you have is someone elses data or numbers then what you say doesnt amount to a hill of beans.

Can you share with us where you saw this gel block test? Several of us on here like to spend our days endlessly debating shotgun ballistics etc, to no end, for no gain either way, usually with little to no reason or credible evidence to back our positions, often mostly in inept attempts to rile our fellow sportsman. Even if they shut down this website to try and stop our endless mistake ridden banter blah blah, we would just find another site to carry on our hopeless diarrea of the keyboard, cha cha cha.

Would be glad to…..We get the DU magazine and a few issues ago they had an article about steel shot. They ran some test regular steel vs BC vs Hevi Metal. I don’t remember exactly what brands of steels shot they tested; it had to be Winchester/Federal/ Remington. The test was mainly about shot penetration and I want to say they were shooting gel blocks that were probably about 16 to 18 inches thick @ 40 yards????. The regular steel was going about a 1/3 of the way through roughly, the BC loads were getting about the same with their regular steel pellets and the actual BC shot weren’t even going that far; I guess because of the resistance created by their shape. The Hevi Shot, the steel loads mixed in with that were doing about the same as the others, but the tungsten pellets were going almost completely through the block. Needless to say, it left me speechless when I saw that. Yes it cost more than Xperts but if you spend the time on the range to get you shooting skills up to par and shoot good shells you’re going to spend a lot less money in the long run because you will be shooting a lot more 1:1 shots……I probably don’t shoot 25% of the shells that I used to shoot for the same amount of ducks….my two cents….

Yes it cost more than Xperts but if you spend the time on the range to get you shooting skills up to par and shoot good shells you’re going to spend a lot less money in the long run because you will be shooting a lot more 1:1 shots……I probably don’t shoot 25% of the shells that I used to shoot for the same amount of ducks….my two cents….

The test was mainly about shot penetration and I want to say they were shooting gel blocks that were probably about 16 to 18 inches thick @ 40 yards????. The regular steel was going about a 1/3 of the way through roughly

6" is plenty far enough to get to the vitals.

Buy what you want, but at 40yds even a properly patterning load of Expert's will kill ducks stone dead.

Would you agree that maybe, just maybe, your kill ratio is better because of your added practice?

And that you don't shoot 25% of the shells you used to because you've learned what shots not to take?

Just a thought. Random questions.

Would you agree that maybe, just maybe, your kill ratio is better because of your added practice?

And that you don't shoot 25% of the shells you used to because you've learned what shots not to take?

Just a thought. Random questions.

Hey Hopedale its been a while, I got hung up over @ the TFF because the tournament fishing bug is eating me alive, wanting to get back in that game after being away from it for about 14 years, just can't aford to scratch that itch right now so talking about sooths the pain a little......
I got another box of BC I plan to burn on some clays before to long, I'm jumping from the BC ship and I going to climb on board the Hevi Metal train. I saw some gel block test done using Hevi Metal comparing it to BC and regular steel loads. This stuff is vicious and it looks like I can use it for about what I pay for BC if I shop around......

BC for clays!

Yea, I've seen some devastation with that hevy metal, but HM is proud of those shells. I got a few boxes of Kent last year and am happy with the performance.
Good to see you back.

you must hunt every day of the season to invest this much time in researching all of these different shotshells and choke tubes in order to cut down 25% on your shell usage during the season.