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.243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 03:21 AM
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srawlings
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I have done a lot of research and have found the 260 to be the best caliber out there for everything Id ever want to do. The 243 however is more common and can do nearly as much, while having less recoil. Recoil and ammo cost are concerns and I already have a "sporter" Mosin 7.62x54r so .308 wouldnt be much of an advantage...
I have yet to see 260 on the shelf though I have only checked at a few walmarts and acadamys. I do reload (for 9mm only at this time) but I dont want to rely only on my reloads... My question is, is the .260 though superior to the 243 worth the added cost of ammo and difficulty with finding said ammo?
Thanks for your input,
SRawlings
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 03:24 AM
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if you buy your ammo online you will never run out. when you think 2 boxes will be enough buy 4
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
[Re: mustafa]
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08/24/12 04:11 AM
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With online cost + shipping, im looking at almost 2-3x the price per round, Id shoot a box per range trip so without reloading the price adds up... is it worth it? why?
thanks
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
[Re: mustafa]
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08/24/12 04:19 AM
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I just bought a .260. Havent had the chance to shoot it yet but shouldnt be long now. Im chomping at the bit to take it to the range. While i have decide to have some custom loads worked up, several factory choices are availible at midway usa.
I ordered some cheaper fusion rounds from midway for the barrel break in process to save a few coins. Want to say the fusion 120gr ammo was around 29 bucks a box. With the highest somewhere around the high 60s. Most of the .260 ammo on there was in stock!
IMO the 260 is worth the hassle of ordering ammo. I have a .243 which im sure will kill any deer alive with a good shot. But being able to shoot 130 or 140gr bullets will make me feel alot more confident in the field.
Last edited by P & Y; 08/24/12 04:29 AM.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
[Re: srawlings]
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08/24/12 04:19 AM
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Only you can decide if the added cost is worth it. It's not to me. I always factor in cost whenever I buy a gun. If it cost too much to shoot, you will never practice with it.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 05:39 AM
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I'd have to agree with HMK. If you cannot find the ammo cheap, you will have a big stick that may not go bang. Basically, if i cannot go down to wally world or the local gun or pawn shop to find my caliber, i'm not sure i want it.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 05:48 AM
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The 260 is the short action Ballistic twin for the 6.5X55 which has been getting the job done for well over 100 years. Ammo cost can be offset with reloading and I do that. If you are a reloader the 260 makes sense to me.
Reloading 260 is not much different than reloading 9mm. It is easy to reload bottle neck rifle loads to produce ammo as good or better than factory loads. You can reload for less than $12 a box with very good bullets.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 05:51 AM
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I agree... I dont understand why the .260 isnt more popular than it is... 6mm and 7mm are very popular, and the most popular being the .30 caliber types... why not in the middle with with great stats and stopping power like the 6.5? I hear in Europe it is, so other than the popularity from all the American military calibers being .30, i just dont get it...
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 05:59 AM
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If I had to guess I would say its because it's slow out the gates and doesn't look that great on paper. (260)
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 06:02 AM
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Not specifically the .260 REM, any of the 6.5mm bullet calibers...
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
[Re: srawlings]
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08/24/12 06:13 AM
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For whatever reason the 6.5 has never caught on strong in the States until recently, in great part due to the interest in long range shooting. The 6.5s going back in history were loaded with heavy for caliber bullets which established common twist rates for heavier for caliber bullets, which in those days of only solids or cup and core bullets ment very high sectional density and deep penetration. Heck no telling how many elephants Bell killed with 6.5s. Probally more than any one person alive today has killed total.
The 260 started out as the 260 Panther from Jim Charmicheal who was shooting editor for Outdoor Life. He wanted a Target round for banging silouet targets down at 600 Meters, from a short action rifle. Turns out it is a very good hunting round to boot.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
[Re: srawlings]
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08/24/12 06:16 AM
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I think it's still going to be how they look on paper at distances most ppl feel comfy shooting.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 06:39 AM
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I think it's still going to be how they look on paper at distances most ppl feel comfy shooting. Yup and speed trumps high BC until past 300 yards in many instances
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 11:22 AM
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For whatever reason the 6.5 has never caught on strong in the States until recently, in great part due to the interest in long range shooting. The 6.5s going back in history were loaded with heavy for caliber bullets which established common twist rates for heavier for caliber bullets, which in those days of only solids or cup and core bullets ment very high sectional density and deep penetration. Heck no telling how many elephants Bell killed with 6.5s. Probally more than any one person alive today has killed total.
The 260 started out as the 260 Panther from Jim Charmicheal who was shooting editor for Outdoor Life. He wanted a Target round for banging silouet targets down at 600 Meters, from a short action rifle. Turns out it is a very good hunting round to boot. Bell preferred the 7x57 Mauser as his weapon of choice. I'd almost wager that 6.5x55 Swedish has taken more moose than any other cartridge has. The sectional density and ballistic coefficient of the 6.5 pills is outstanding which equates to a very effective round in the field, the only thing that rivals it are mid and upper weight 7mm stuff or some of the really heavy large diameter stuff.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
[Re: dee]
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08/24/12 11:42 AM
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Bell did use mostly the 275 Rigby which is nothing more than the English designation for the 7X57. He also used a 6.5X54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbine as I believe the second most listed in his elephant battery. Bell also used the 303 British
You would not catch me betting against the 6.5X55 on moose count.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 11:56 AM
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dee
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303 just about every big game animal on the planet, the same could probably be said about the 30-06 as well.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 12:16 PM
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if you have to have the 260 get it, if you just want a gun to hunt with get the 243. 243 is a bad mofo too. i could live with hard to find ammo, what i cant stand is theres hardly anything chambered in the 260, i wont settle for a gun just cause its a 260. it aint all that.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 12:27 PM
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For whatever reason the 6.5 has never caught on strong in the States until recently, in great part due to the interest in long range shooting. The 6.5s going back in history were loaded with heavy for caliber bullets which established common twist rates for heavier for caliber bullets, which in those days of only solids or cup and core bullets ment very high sectional density and deep penetration. Heck no telling how many elephants Bell killed with 6.5s. Probally more than any one person alive today has killed total.
The 260 started out as the 260 Panther from Jim Charmicheal who was shooting editor for Outdoor Life. He wanted a Target round for banging silouet targets down at 600 Meters, from a short action rifle. Turns out it is a very good hunting round to boot. We've always been a 30 caliber nation. Only more recently with the realization that faster twist rates, higher BC sell rifles. To the OP, the 243 winchester will kill deer and pigs as good as a 260 remington. If costs and avalibility are an issues (You don't want to reload or order more expensive ammo), I wouldn't. I'd get a 260 remington if I like "something different," or had a real appriciation for the minute differences make it different than a .243 winchester. Seriously, minute. Half a millimeter people. I won't be critical of people for getting one. People should get what they want, but seriously there isn't that much difference.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 12:41 PM
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dee
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For whatever reason the 6.5 has never caught on strong in the States until recently, in great part due to the interest in long range shooting. The 6.5s going back in history were loaded with heavy for caliber bullets which established common twist rates for heavier for caliber bullets, which in those days of only solids or cup and core bullets ment very high sectional density and deep penetration. Heck no telling how many elephants Bell killed with 6.5s. Probally more than any one person alive today has killed total.
The 260 started out as the 260 Panther from Jim Charmicheal who was shooting editor for Outdoor Life. He wanted a Target round for banging silouet targets down at 600 Meters, from a short action rifle. Turns out it is a very good hunting round to boot. We've always been a 30 caliber nation. Only more recently with the realization that faster twist rates, higher BC sell rifles. To the OP, the 243 winchester will kill deer and pigs as good as a 260 remington. If costs and avalibility are an issues (You don't want to reload or order more expensive ammo), I wouldn't. I'd get a 260 remington if I like "something different," or had a real appriciation for the minute differences make it different than a .243 winchester. Seriously, minute. Half a millimeter people. I won't be critical of people for getting one. People should get what they want, but seriously there isn't that much difference. The biggest concern I would have with the 243 is if the op intends on doing a good amount of target shooting then barrel life is a factor to consider before buying. If just a standard hunting rifle that will see maybe a box of ammo a year go for it since you're not a reloader and aren't fond of ordering ammo.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 03:22 PM
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Agree with dee^^
.260 is superior to the .243 in many ways in my opinion. I shoot a .260 and it's the best shooting rifle I've ever operated. But, I load my own.
If I didn't load my own I would be looking hard at the .243 it is a fantastic cartridge. But if I wasn't a handloader and wanted a 6.5 bullet, the 6.5 Creedmore would be at the top of the list. There's lots of high quality ammo available that's readily available.
I know lots of guys that are handloaders, order ammo anyway for their 6.5 Creedmore, get sub-MOA results and just don't load their own due to time commitment.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 04:27 PM
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For whatever reason the 6.5 has never caught on strong in the States until recently, in great part due to the interest in long range shooting. The 6.5s going back in history were loaded with heavy for caliber bullets which established common twist rates for heavier for caliber bullets, which in those days of only solids or cup and core bullets ment very high sectional density and deep penetration. Heck no telling how many elephants Bell killed with 6.5s. Probally more than any one person alive today has killed total.
The 260 started out as the 260 Panther from Jim Charmicheal who was shooting editor for Outdoor Life. He wanted a Target round for banging silouet targets down at 600 Meters, from a short action rifle. Turns out it is a very good hunting round to boot. We've always been a 30 caliber nation. Only more recently with the realization that faster twist rates, higher BC sell rifles. To the OP, the 243 winchester will kill deer and pigs as good as a 260 remington. If costs and avalibility are an issues (You don't want to reload or order more expensive ammo), I wouldn't. I'd get a 260 remington if I like "something different," or had a real appriciation for the minute differences make it different than a .243 winchester. Seriously, minute. Half a millimeter people. I won't be critical of people for getting one. People should get what they want, but seriously there isn't that much difference. The biggest concern I would have with the 243 is if the op intends on doing a good amount of target shooting then barrel life is a factor to consider before buying. If just a standard hunting rifle that will see maybe a box of ammo a year go for it since you're not a reloader and aren't fond of ordering ammo. How many rounds will it take to wear out a barrel? Thousands. I'm just pulling numbers out of the air, but I'm sure it would be at least 5k before you see serous decrease in accuracy. That is 7 or 8 thousand dollars in quality ammo. Cheaper if he reloads. The price difference between the ammo will more than make up for a new barrel. Besides, if all he wants to do is punch paper than a .223 will work find out to 400-500 yards. The ammo is cheaper.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 04:38 PM
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dee
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Usually 2000-3000k and 1moa is gone also depends on how hot the loads one is shooting.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 04:58 PM
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If I don't back off the gas pedal on my .260 it'll be done at 1500 rounds. That's what 130's running 2950 fps will do. So I'm going to 140's and reducing the charge.
Same can be said for the .243. Top it with a 115 pill and push it over 3000 fps and you prolly won't see the 2000 round mark on that barrel.
Bud of mine does that and he rebarrels his rifle once a year. But a $300 barrel is worth it to him to get that performance plus he's theading and chambering his own.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 05:31 PM
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What powder are you running, I've heard a decent slow burning powder can help prolong barrel life.
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Re: .243 win or .260 rem?
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08/24/12 06:37 PM
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Both? I am a Huge fan of 6.5s, hunted several years with 6.5x55, solded it went to .308. Now I have 2 6.5x284s, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5TCU and another 6.5 Swede.
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