Have not read all the replies on purpose. I will not shoot any ballistic tips in a flat, fast cartridge for deer ever again. Too many deer lost due to lack of expansion, no matter the grain of bullet.

Lost due to lack of expansion from a Ballkstic tip,

Never lost anything hit with a Ballistic Tip bullet, but the complaints I have heard is too much expansion not too little.

Yelp corelokt has a crimp, so its basically a bt with out the tip and with a crimp

I have never shot a deer that did not run at least 150 yds with a Corelokt. I hate that cartridge. Now Honady Ballistic tips.......sweet usually DRT (Dead right there)

Core lokt is not a cartridge. It is the name that Remington calls the bullet design that they load in many different cartridges.

Ballistic Tip is a name for a bullet made by Nosler, not Hornady. Hornady makes a competing bullet...they call it the SST.


Gotta ask: how many deer have you shot with Core Lokts, and where did you hit them?

I was also wondering where he hit them with the Core Lokts. Back when I shot factory bullets, all I used were Remington CoreLokt and they worked just fine. There seems to be quite a few folks that hate 'this bullet' or 'that bullet', when in truth I think the bullets will all work acceptably as long as you don't shoot a deer with a varmint bullet and as long as you put the bullet where you should. If I couldn't use those Nosler BT's, I'd probably switch to the Hornady SST or the Sierra Gameking. Both of those have shown themselves to be extremely accurate in various rifles of mine. I probably would not buy the Nosler Accubond because of the cost. For whitetail deer, you really don't need the expensive bullets. Even expensive bullets won't compensate for poor shooting.

I would agree with that to some extent.

I have shot several different kinds of bullets and always killed what I was hunting with all of them, but some were more consistent than others.

With barnes and Hornady GMX's they worked well most of the time, but I also had severa instances where they didnt expand.

I shot hornady 150 grain interlocks in my 270 for 4 years and had big fluctuations in how they performed, always shot well, but one time they would pass through with a quarter to 1/2 dollar size exit(what I like) the next shot would blow a hole the size of a softball out the other side, and I had several instances where a 150 grain bullet at around 2700 fps out of a 270 win wouldnt pass through a hill country deer, all you would find on the inside was a mess of bullet fragments.

I shoot partitions and accubonds because they do the same thing every time I pull the trigger. Others did what I wanted some of the time, but Im willing to have a little extra cost to get the same result all the time.

Probably the factory ammo that I found to be the most consistent for me in on game performance was 130 grain rem corlocks in 270 win.

matt

[quote=JJH]Core lokt is not a cartridge. It is the name that Remington calls the bullet design that they load in many different cartridges.

Ballistic Tip is a name for a bullet made by Nosler, not Hornady. Hornady makes a competing bullet...they call it the SST.


Gotta ask: how many deer have you shot with Core Lokts, and where did you hit them? [/quote

Once it is loaded the complete round is called a cartridge, reguardless of bullet type. Ever look on the side of a millitary ammo can? It does not say 100 bullets or 100 rounds. It says 100 cartridges, then .50 cal or 9mm, then list the bullet type like ball or SLPT or FMJ.
I have shot 4 deer with Corelockt all behind the shoulder. Do not know how many of those were actual heart shots but the run like crazy part I remember well. Now the Hornady ballistic tip....yes yes, all tissues are not kleenex and all Q-tips are not Q-tip brand.......all behind shoulder and knees just buckle. I will NEVER hunt with Corelokt (AKA cheapest hunting ammo on market) again. You can kill a deer with a sling shot. It does not mean you should try.

To say all bullets are basically equal in killing effectiveness is the same as saying a .22 and a .300 Win. mag will all kill deer. True, but some do a better job than others.

Bullet is a component of a cartridge.

As to Hornady Ballistic Tip. Lets see a picture of the Box please.

Ballistic Tip is a trademarked name for one of Nosler's bullet product line and I think the first Poly carnonate tipped bullet by a major manufacture. Doubt you will ever see Hornady using that name.

Several years after the Nosler Ballistic Tip Bullets were introduced Hornady started with the SST which is also a polycarbonate tipped bullet. There are a few varities of the hunting ones there are the ones that use an interlock and some that do not. Hornady Interlock is just a small ring on the inside of the jacket ment to lessen the chance of core/jacket seperation.

Nosler and Hornady bullet companies started in different manners but both by men that were not satisfied with the current products available. John Nosler was not satisfied with the cup and core design of bullets after experiencing bullet fragmentation while on a Moose hunt, thus was born the Nosler Partition, and Nosler Bullet Company

Joyce Hornady was a target shooter that had a goal of single hole groups and believed he could make more accurate bullets than were available.

Both companies have done very well and we the shooters are both customers and benificiaries of those mens dilligence to make a better product and the resolve to do it.

Sigh......Kmon1, did you even read what I said about the Ballistic Tip reference to Hornady? Does it say on a Ammo can 100 Cartridges and their accompaning bullet, primer, powder, links componets? No. Knit picking a little there.
I do not care WHO owns a patent on what. All I know is a plastic tip (which most everyone calls a Baliistic Tip reguardless of maker) equals rapid expansion and serious knockdown power and that Corelokts suks!
Do you call all Q-tips Q-tips reguardless of maker? Yes you do. Do you call all Tissues Kleenex most likely. In Texas are all soda's cokes....yes. Stop taking yourselves so seriously there is no PRIZE !!!!!

I guess you call all trucks F150's, even if they are Silverados?

TF Panther, after giving your statement on killing effectiveness a little thought, I believe that you are right in that there probably are differences. Some will open up more or some less and such as that. Still, I do believe that if you took just about any bullet marketed by the big name bullet makers that are designed for what they term 'big game' and shot a whitetail deer through the lungs, you would very quickly have a dead deer. I think that I could take my 270 and just about anybody's 130 grain bullet (CoreLokt included) at or near 3000 fps and hunt happily and successfully for the rest of my life. I use the Ballistic Tip because they have worked extremely well for me for maybe 3 decades (since they came out), and I have a lot of them still in my loading boxes. And they shoot like match grade bullets.

What do you guys call Q-tips? Dupont ear swabs? No you do not now you are all as ignorant as me. How does it feel?

Listen "Experts".....I just call them trucks (you know a generic term) like you guys do! See the point Now? Ballistic Tip got the patent.....great. If Hornady could have called them Ballistic Tips they would have, but in order not to get sued they called them SST which have a Ballistic styled TIP!!!
You guys are arguing semantics. When someone says Ballistic Tip that have not been to the same expert bullet manufacturing course you all graduated from they mean a bullet with a plastic tip for rapid expansion, reguardless of manufacturer.
So sorry I do not meet all the Proffesional bullet makers standards here on the forum. I had no idea in order to say you do not like Corelokt and prefer Hornady Ballistic "styled" Tips or SST's I had to be judged by the guys who invented Black Powder.

Try logging on to a pickup truck lovers forum and telling them how much you love driving your Chevy F-150.

As far as the word Cartridge goes.....Call the Army and tell them they have been using the wrong word since the Civil War. Again semantics, but to you experts who live and die on such terms I will digress to keep your woodle hearts from breaking into. Is this the TFF or a high school drama website, with all your little snipping? I have Bieber tickets for sale JJH!

JJH So when you tell someone you left something in your________. Do you say A. Ford F-150 V-8 Ext Cab King Ranch edition or B. Truck.

corelokts and most non A frame cup and core bullets work great in medium velocity calibers, i.e. 30-30, 35 rem, et al. when you start getting into impact velocities over ~2600 fps you WILL start to experience core jacket seperations given enough chances at it. The big difference between Super Shock Tips and ballistic tips is the accuracy robbing cannelure on the SST and the BT has a tapered jacket

The only deer that I've ever shot and lost was with a 130 gr BT out of my 270. Might have been a fluke but I've been shooting Accubonds ever since and have had outstanding performance from them. Every deer that I've shot with my 280 using 140 gr Accubonds has dropped like they were struck by lightning.

might say "truck", might say "vehicle".

but if it was a truck I wouldn't say "car".

If it was a Lexus, I wouldn't say "Lincoln".

And unless I was really ignorant, I wouldn't mix the right brand with the wrong model.

until the US .30 cal of 1903 ctg us army ctgs were named by thier calibre-blackpowder charge- bullet weight, 45-70-500

JJH. If were were talking guns and I said my "AR" would you know what I was talking about or would you stare at me like a 16 YO boy who just saw his first set of boobs and have to wait until I said, Oh sorry, A 5.56mm, 16 inch CMMG barrel Chrome Molly chamber, with Mag Pull furniture, a DPMS barrel and SOG Lower before you knew what I was talking about?

and now the army names ctgs by caliber and bullet type and ctg designation like the .30 m72 NM or 5.56X45 Ball m855

Semantics.