I like the Accubonds better than the Barnes bullets. The weight "lost" that barnes fans talk about is not lost it becomes secondary projectiles in the wound canal which do further damage. The design criteria for accubonds called for a bullet that shoots like a Ballistic Tip and performs like a Partition in game. I think they did it.

I do not think anything was resolved on that failure.

So it starts out at a lower weight, but retains more. As opposed to an accubond that starts out heavier and might shed a little higher percentage of weight.

So, one could argue that they might be fairly close in total weight when each exits? Then, if the Accubond retains a larger percentage, it might even weigh more?

Still not understanding the overall benefit.

If both bullets exit, is it even an issue?

Also, looking at the trama of a wound channel, your lead bullets have more of a "shock" and larger wound area than your Barnes. The Barnes are good for driving deep and through game. The lead and bonded bullets have a larger effect inside the body than a solid does. I have many hunters that are switching from the Barnes to other lead or bonded bullets with great effect. I have seen a lot of elk hunters switching to the Berger VLD's for this reason.

It still makes it into the vitals

Barnes shine in fast light cals- where impact velocities push the limits of traditional cup and core. The shock value of a ttsx impacting over 3200 ft/s is pretty impressive

Yes. When you get up over 3000+ fps, anything hit will have a good shock. But the actual wound channel internally with a lead bullet will have a larger diameter shock than a Barnes will. You can also see this in ballistic gelatin.

and all of the died in the wool barnes shooters I know say that they work best in a spotless barrel accuracy wise. Accubonds run pretty good in some of my rifles( .45 inch 5 shot group at 100 w/ 140gr in a 270 WSM with H1000) But I cant get much better that 1.2 inches average in my 25-06 with 4831 and 4350 and accubonds. I am going try h1000 then give up and work up a new load with sme 100 or 115 partitions.

I had issue with ab accuracy in my 25-06 but excellent results with a tsx work up load that just happens to be pretty close to the nosler 100gr partition custom ammo that is otc. The 100 gr partitions are pretty impressive at 3300 fts

There's not I use the Accubonds since I prefer exit wounds and they are cheaper to load.

I had really good luck with them in my dad's 25-06 (.75" 5 shot groups) using 4831, its a fairly light charge at 2950fps but I was short on time and that accuracy is more than acceptable. Yours could be one of those rifles that don't like that particular bullet no matter how much you want it to.

Thats what i am thinking nosler is supossed to get back to me withh some h1000 data and i will try that. And then i will try partitions

And you hope that .308" part hits just the right part of the vitals to keep the taking dogs home?

Vs flesh wound from bullet blowing out ward on a cup/core.
As long as the bullet is rotating is still doing damage greater then its diameter.
I'll take the penetration over non any day.

You stick a feild tip arrow through both lungs the animal is dead, just not as fun tracking as a 2" rage

I just personally dont want to mess with a solid copper bullet, bonded and a frame bullets are more than adequate for what I need in my hunting loads. And cup and core SP, BT, or OTM have thier applications as well. When reloading for whitetail everyone needs to bear in mind that they are a light skinned light boned medium sized game animal that isnt that difficult to kill with a centerfire rifle of suffecient caliber and speed with good bullet construction and placement.

That's why I like the bonded core type bullets you get the best of both worlds huge wound channel and good deep penetration.

I am a fan of the partition in my 25-06.

But I'm a bigger fan of the 80ttsx in the 257 wby and 80 in the 243.

Now over 27cal pick a bullet I don't think it matters

I've shot between 200 and 300 deer with Nosler Ballistic Tips (130 gr in the 270 and 120 gr in the 260). I started using the bullet back when it had the thinner jacket and it worked just fine even then. It's the gold standard for hunting bullet accuracy and it's absolutely deadly on deer. Avoid quartering shots from the front of the deer and don't try to shoot through leg bones. Other than that, there isn't a more effective bullet. If you aren't getting the job done, don't blame it on the bullet.

X2 on the nosler custom comp brass. I will not say that it is better than the Lapua brass but it is definately more user friendly

I've thought about giving the 80gr Barnes a try in my dad's 25-06 but after his results with the 110gr Accubonds he won't try anything else.

So it looks like i will start with a 130gr Accubond and nosler custom brass. Hopefully he can work something up that will shoot well for me. I got one last question and i will be ready to go.

The gunsmith that is working up the loads will be breaking in the barrel for me. Is there any benefit in using the custom ammo for this? I will be charged extra for bullets and brass. If its not required ill have him do the break in with something much cheaper.

No need for the expensive stuff for barrel breakin IMO

Only deer I have ever shot and not recovered was from a 140gr Nosler BT. He is still alive and has a big lump up and over the top of his left shoulder. I'll pass.

I never said my 7-08 liked the barnes better than the accubond, the accubond actually shoots better groups out of it by almost 1/4" (3/4 vs 1/2). I just like the fact that every deer I have shot with the TSX and TTSX was DRT, and no meat was damaged from the bullet breaking up like you guys seem to perfer. I do hunt with an accubond when I carry my 25-06 110gr. But in my 7mm-08 and 7 mag I shoot 120gr TTSX and in my 22-250 I shoot 53gr TSX.
If I am hunting larger than whitetail, I prefer a 175gr Nosler Partition or Swift A-Frame out of my 7 Mag.

That big lump over the top of the shoulder is not a problem of poor bullet performance, it is most likely the result of poor shot placement. I bet if you kill that deer you will find you hit high above the vitals and no bullet would have been effective.

my bro shot a buck like that with 150gr hornady SP @ about 200yds (300wm)... pin hole for an entrance and a hole as big as your fist for an exit. It was by luck he ended up killing that deer, but it required 00-buck & some knife work to actually kill him hours later.