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 Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 02:52 PM
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ejj005
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I have a quick question, just made a trade for a Model 60 12 Ga Semi Auto JC Higgins. I shot a duck-load through it, I believe it was a 4 shot. Well I have tried several different 7 1/2 and 8 shot dove loads and it jams everytime. I have to stick a rod in the barrel and knock the empty out. I have never seen this before and have a feeling some of you guys have. Considering I dont duck hunt but I do a lot of dove hunting this gun is pretty much useless at this point. Is there something I can do to try and fix this problem? Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
[Re: ejj005]
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08/13/12 02:55 PM
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probably build up in the chamber. take the barrel off and chuck up a wire cleaning brush on your drill and go to town on the first few inches of the breech end, then do the same with a rag brush
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 02:57 PM
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ejj005
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Sounds like a good idea...thanks
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 03:04 PM
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luvdabirds
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my friend has a wetherby semi that has two different compensators for heavy or light loads .you need to focus on the gas system being clean more than anything with a semi . the gas is what makes the gun work,eject load etc; of course ther are mechnical parts that need to move freely. A thorough breakdown and cleaning is where I'd begin to prevent lodging any more grime where you dont want it .
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 03:15 PM
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Both of these guys hit the nail on the head, in some guns like Remington you have to change the gas system for the shot,like with Remington 1187 they have a round rubber piece that you change out in the system.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 03:22 PM
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Is there going to be any upgrades for a gun that old? I believe this gun was made in the 50's. The gas system is located in the forearm correct?
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 03:29 PM
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Yes thats where the system is,but I dont know anything about that gun and parts but if you can take it to a gunsmith since it is that old and let them upgrade it for you.Goodluck
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 03:40 PM
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A good gun smith can get that sucker cleaned and/or bad parts replaced pretty cheap. Could be something a simple as a worn out extractor pin.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 03:46 PM
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After years of shooting a pump, I moved up to a Browning Silver Hunter. Starts jamming after 3 or 4 boxes of shells, irritating as hell. A thorough cleaning (not just a wipe-down) gets it back working again though. Always carry my trusty pump as a back-up.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 03:51 PM
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If the hull is stuck in the chamber it is a chamber or ejector problem.
If it gets stuck in the ejection port then it could be gas system.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 03:58 PM
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As far as it being extractor problem I dont see how it would manually unload, unload more powerful loads fine, and you can see where the top of the shell is being ripped when it gets jammed. I agree with carrying pump as back up, remington 870 is the most reliable shotgun I have ever owned and I will always have it with me as a backup (if not primary)
Thanks for the help, please keep the advice coming. Really want to get it working right, I hate a gun that doesn't work, it's like a dog that doesn't mind.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 05:32 PM
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If it manually extracts the round it is probably a rough or very dirty chamber.
Question, does the bolt move back after firing?
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 05:49 PM
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It does manually extract, if I put high powered loads it will run through three as fast as I want. The bolt usually stays open or it will lock about halfway, then it is sometimes hard to open. Hopefully it just needs a really good cleaning, I haven't taken it apart to mess with it yet. What is the best oils/solvents that y'all suggest?
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 07:09 PM
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When I read the title of this thread I was sure it was about Benelli...... 
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 07:17 PM
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i didn't know either. . .
i kinda thought it was
about rapid fire instead
of malfunction
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 07:23 PM
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Wrap steal wool around a cleaning rod until its thick enough you have to shove it in chamber, put rod on a drill and spin it in there a minute or two. Should do the trick
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 07:31 PM
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As far as it being extractor problem I dont see how it would manually unload, unload more powerful loads fine, and you can see where the top of the shell is being ripped when it gets jammed. I agree with carrying pump as back up, remington 870 is the most reliable shotgun I have ever owned and I will always have it with me as a backup (if not primary)
Thanks for the help, please keep the advice coming. Really want to get it working right, I hate a gun that doesn't work, it's like a dog that doesn't mind.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 07:49 PM
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I use the Otis cleaning system, but I think most solvents and oils are about the same. Spend a good hour or two getting it clean, then just give it a regular cleaning after each use or two and you'll be surprised at the results I think.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/13/12 10:57 PM
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David Maas
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Model 60 Manual Strip he gun down and thoroughly clean it, polish the chamber, clean the piston and lube it. I would bet since it works with "magnum" loads it is just dirty, very dirty.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/14/12 01:59 PM
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Thanks guys I really appreciate it. David thanks for the manual...
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/14/12 08:27 PM
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If at any time you need to use a rod to "knock the shell out of the chamber", that means the extractor failed or FTE. Cleaning cleaning the chamber is a 50/50 bet on this problem. It can't hurt, but it also has a possibility of not helping. Some guns hate low brass shotshells due to rim thickness. If you take some calipers and measure the rims of a 3" shell and a dove load... you'll see the difference. The low brass shells have a thin rim that sits down into the chamber recess and if your extractor is worn, dirty or just not manufactured very well- that could be your issue. A dirty chamber would have feed issues as well as extraction issues. If you're seeing one and not the other I'm still going with an extractor/rim thickness problem.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/14/12 10:48 PM
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If it ejects unfired shells but not fired shells would'nt it make sense that the chamber may already be over sized? Polishing it with steel wool or sand paper might make it worse. Get a coffee can and stick the chamber end of the barrel in the can filled with powder solvent. Then rub it out with a rough cloth.
A gun smith can mic the chamber if that doesn't work. I believe the gun was made for Sears by Mossberg, they may have a new barrel that will work and you can have a safe gun to shoot.
Last edited by Ray B; 08/14/12 10:50 PM.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/15/12 04:07 PM
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David Maas
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As far as it being extractor problem I don't see how it would manually unload, unload more powerful loads fine, and you can see where the top of the shell is being ripped when it gets jammed. If it ejects unfired shells but not fired shells would'nt it make sense that the chamber may already be over sized? Polishing it with steel wool or sand paper might make it worse. Get a coffee can and stick the chamber end of the barrel in the can filled with powder solvent. Then rub it out with a rough cloth.
A gun smith can mic the chamber if that doesn't work. I believe the gun was made for Sears by Mossberg, they may have a new barrel that will work and you can have a safe gun to shoot. If at any time you need to use a rod to "knock the shell out of the chamber", that means the extractor failed or FTE. Cleaning cleaning the chamber is a 50/50 bet on this problem. It can't hurt, but it also has a possibility of not helping. Some guns hate low brass shotshells due to rim thickness. If you take some calipers and measure the rims of a 3" shell and a dove load... you'll see the difference. The low brass shells have a thin rim that sits down into the chamber recess and if your extractor is worn, dirty or just not manufactured very well- that could be your issue. A dirty chamber would have feed issues as well as extraction issues. If you're seeing one and not the other I'm still going with an extractor/rim thickness problem. It works fine with magnum loads, I think it is simply a dirty gun and chamber.
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/15/12 04:42 PM
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Re: Jamming Shotgun
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08/15/12 10:31 PM
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Well guys I will let you know tomorrow what I have found out, I have cleaned the gun extremely well. I cant just walk out and shoot it considering I live in town now. Kinda sucks...
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