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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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I thought the 6.5-284 had the most case capacity? It does compared to the 3 typical short action 6.5 cartridges which the 6.5-284 Norma is not. I also thought the 6.5-284 could be used in a short action. Like the 284 win. The short action would just limit bullet selection.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/14/12 02:44 PM
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I thought the 6.5-284 had the most case capacity? It does compared to the 3 typical short action 6.5 cartridges which the 6.5-284 Norma is not. I also thought the 6.5-284 could be used in a short action. Like the 284 win. It can but the bullet it seated to far into the case and takes up a lot of the cases powder capacity which will bring velocity's down to the 3 others velocity's.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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If I was going to do a non standard factory cartridge in a SA length 264...I'd prolly pick a 6.5x300WSM to do...and THAT may happen sooner than later if the last acquisition of an unfired 300WSM NewHaven M70 Fwt cannot be made acceptably accurate without a lot of $$$ extraneous work. However same song 2nd verse for a playtoy in a LA for a real overbore barrel burner...in a 6.5 x 375Ruger or a 6.5 x 300WBy might get my attention.
Having run a 6.5x55 T3 Hunter Grade for 5+ years that I sorely regret swapping, and am just beginning to set up for the 260 SAKO Hunter Grade that was the other end of that swap... the next 6.5 will almost surely be a 264WMg to replace my 270 with, and/or a twin SAKO M85 in SS/syn and be done with it. Ron
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/14/12 05:55 PM
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/14/12 05:57 PM
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I have a Creedmoor and I really like it. Saying that I would flip a coin if someone make me pick another 6.5...I would flip between the 6.5x47 and Creedmoor. Creedmoor has cheaper (priced) brass with Hornady and besides stretching the primer pockets with hot loads I don't have any Hornady brass complaints.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/14/12 07:14 PM
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Have tried a few 6.5s and looked at a lot of the others.
6.5 Grendel Smallest one I have tried and is a lot of fun, wish I had a CZ527 chambered in it. But the AR is a lot of fun and accuracy is pretty good.
6.5X54 Mannlicher great round mild recoil and more limited range, the 1903 Mannlicher is a fun gun with a very smooth action that it was introduced in.
6.5X55 Sweed, Been around well over 100 years and has been getting the job done all that time.
6.5 Creedmore, 260 Remington and 6.5X47 are all about the same to me and are short action modern versions of the 6.5X55 to me, velocity is real close with all of them.
Next step up is 6.5-284 and 6.5 Remington Mag. These are within one grain of powder capacity of each other and therefore very simular in performance. With the 6.5-284 Norma long enough that it requires a long action. 6,5-06 also fits in this group.
The only step up from there in a factory offering is 264 Win Mag, a fire breather that really needa a 26 inch brrel for best performance
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/15/12 01:45 AM
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I like the .260 for a bolt action and the Creedmoor for the AR10 platform and of course the Grendel for AR 15 +1
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/15/12 09:59 AM
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I like the .260 for a bolt action and the Creedmoor for the AR10 platform and of course the Grendel for AR 15 +1 +2 If you're a handloader then .260 for bolt action if you're not a handloader then 6.5 Creedmore for bolt action and AR platform. Hornady is doing a great job building ammo to feed the creedmore, is what I keep hearing from everyone that buys it.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/15/12 11:49 AM
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I've got a little time behind the 6.5-284 it was my favorite round for the 200 yard matches back in the early 80's. My best groups was shot with that rifle. Did a little checking and found a series of loads I'd worked up from 100 gr bullets all the way to 160's. My favorite hunting load was 57 grains of 4350 and a 120 grain NP, it run about 3300 fps. I was pushing 100 gr's to just under 3500 fps with the same load.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/15/12 09:43 PM
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I love the 6.5mm calibers. I shoot a 260 Rem in competition, and have tested Creedmoor's and 6.5x47 Lapua's. The most accurate caliber I have ever tested was a 6.5x47. It shot under 1/4 moa at 400 yards (less than an inch), and gave a 2 fps extreme spread (ES) on 7 shots. I did some reading on the development on this case, and it was engineered with all the accuracy enhancing traits known- shoulder angle, small primer pocket, neck length, body taper, everything. All custom rifles can shoot very well with good load development and good ammo. But to get to the next level of accuracy and consistancy, you have to explore other ideas and case designs to get you there. I think the 6.5x47 is the next level. But as a shooter, you will also have to be able to shoot as well as this caliber to know the difference. A finely tuned 260 or Creedmoor can shoot very well with low ES. But I think the x47 can out shoot the 260 and Creedmoor's in the right hands. But, you will gain some extra fps with a 260 Rem over the x47 at the same pressure level (yes, a x47 can run as fast as a 260, but you have to be at +70K psi to do it). Brass cost and loosing them at matches is one reason why I don't shoot a x47. And a 260 can do everything I need it to do for matches.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/15/12 11:24 PM
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6.5x47 has become extremely popular with my customers. I love this round and barrel life is longer than the other 6.5's. It's what I have switched to for my comp gun and it was the best move I ever made.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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I'll stick the classic: to 6.5x55 Swedish. It's been getting the job done since 1894.
My dad prefers his 6.5-06. made on a FN Mauser action.
I'm not much on magnums and the Swede will do everything the Creedmore, Lapua, and .260 can, so there's no reason for me to change.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/16/12 01:23 AM
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the 260 rem it works well and is easy to load for.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/16/12 01:34 AM
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Well crap, here we go... Hunted 1985-1995 with a 6.5x55 Custom, Hunting the last 5 years with my 6.5 Grendel(AR).4 years ago I had a 6.5x284 in a Rem. 721 long action built. A year later stopped in Bud's Gun Shop and picked up a 6.5x284 in a Mauser action, same load in both BUT the COL is way different! BOTH will shoot very small groups out to 200 yards which is as far as I will take a shot at a game animal. That's as far as I have tested my loads,an have range time in.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/16/12 03:06 AM
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I'll stick the classic: to 6.5x55 Swedish I would too 
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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07/16/12 01:18 PM
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I like the .260 for a bolt action and the Creedmoor for the AR10 platform and of course the Grendel for AR 15 +1 +2 If you're a handloader then .260 for bolt action if you're not a handloader then 6.5 Creedmore for bolt action and AR platform. Hornady is doing a great job building ammo to feed the creedmore, is what I keep hearing from everyone that buys it. I would add; if you really want both a bolt action and an AR10 in 6.5 that will share ammo, the creedmoor is the best game in town. I'm not going to knock the 6.5x43 bolt action other than to say I do not like single source calibers, I'm sure it is awesome though.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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Pretty sure im going to build a 6.5x55. If I go something else it will probably be a 6.5-06
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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I have a 260 and I'm real happy with it. With the right barrel length, you can get about 3000 fps with a 120 grain bullet. The 6.5-284 will give you at least another 200 fps, but I just can't convince myself that I need that other 200 fps. If I was going to do anything other than what I have, I'd go to the 260 AI. Any of those cartridges that have been mentioned on this thread will shoot extremely well. All you need to do for super accuracy is to rub money on the problem. The more money you rub on it, the better it'll shoot.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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The 260 AI will only give you about 75 fps increase over a standard 260 Rem. If you push it faster than that, it will wreck the brass. IMO, most AI calibers are not worth the fire forming and extra case prep it takes to get AI brass. But if you have the time and want it, go for it.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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I love the 6.5mm calibers. I shoot a 260 Rem in competition... in which competitions do you shoot, Chad?
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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The one's I don't miss are the Rifles Only tactical matches, and Tiger Valley's Team Sniper match. Jacob and Lisa put on the best tactical match in the country, IMO. They are known for their helicopter stages. We've shot AR's while flying, bolt guns, and even a night shoot with tracers from a helicopter. They have movers out to 500 yards on their KD (known distance) range, as well as pistol movers. TJ at Tiger Valley puts on a match with all kinds of new stages and cources of fire. He will make you work, and make it very challenging for the team. I have shot Tac Pro's sniper event several times, but it's gone down hill a lot. I enjoy some of the local matches people put on. I have missed a few of the recent matches. Coaching baseball and work, with lack of shooting practice, has slowed my match shooting down some. I'm starting to miss it. You can look HERE at some of the pictures of the last match we had in April. It was one of the best they had done. I took 23rd out of 91 shooters.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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I have a 260 and I'm real happy with it. With the right barrel length, you can get about 3000 fps with a 120 grain bullet. The 6.5-284 will give you at least another 200 fps, but I just can't convince myself that I need that other 200 fps. If I was going to do anything other than what I have, I'd go to the 260 AI. Any of those cartridges that have been mentioned on this thread will shoot extremely well. All you need to do for super accuracy is to rub money on the problem. The more money you rub on it, the better it'll shoot. The biggest advantage of the AI rounds in case life and less trimming IMO but that is negated if you hotrod them.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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Yes, that's why I haven't gone the AI route. That extra few fps doesn't mean much to me. I say that, but I have to admit that the loads I'm shooting now are a lot hotter than the ones I used last year. The cases will probably get a bit more beat up than they used to. The main reason I shoot the 260 is that I have a real short and light rifle in that caliber that's a joy to carry around. It's more the rifle than the cartridge. If rifle horsepower mattered a lot I'd drag out my 270 again, but it's long and heavy. I'd probably be just as happy with a 250 Savage or a 257 Roberts in that short rifle. Either one would do just fine. I think that I've proven to myself that a 120 gr bullet at 2700 fps is plenty of rifle for these little Texas deer. And...I may be wrong, but it really does seem that a deer or hog shot with the 270 will take more steps than if I shot them with the 260. That doesn't seem right to me, but when I pop them with the 260 they just flop right over. Either it's my imagination or maybe it has to do with bullet performance at the slower speed. I shoot only Nosler Ballistic Tips.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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You from up north, or why do you keep refering to them as little texas deer? If you dont shoot the ones with milk on their lips they arent all small  If you shoot a similar bullet to the 120 BT in your 270, say a 130 BT I think you will find it kills much the same.
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Re: Best 6.5mm?
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You from up north, or why do you keep refering to them as little texas deer? If you dont shoot the ones with milk on their lips they arent all small  If you shoot a similar bullet to the 120 BT in your 270, say a 130 BT I think you will find it kills much the same. He apparently hasn't hunted all of Texas...
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