texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
longhorntracker, Scoot N Shoot, AUSSIE - TEXAN, MightyESheepCo., Kevo1371
73093 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 110,840
bill oxner 91,416
SnakeWrangler 68,081
stxranchman 60,296
Gravytrain 46,950
Stub 46,281
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,461
Forum Statistics
Forums46
Topics551,054
Posts9,888,491
Members88,093
Most Online28,231
Feb 7th, 2025
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Complete Uppers or Upper Builds #3229865 05/17/12 04:43 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
Oooooook....
I've done some looking around and haven't found answers to my questions.

I'm starting a build for a 5.56 AR. I have all the parts planned out for the lower but the upper is whats throwing me since those components are so crucial.
I'm wanting to build this for hunting so I need it to be capable of MOA or better.

I've done lots of reading and I have some questions.
Do any of you have any personal experience with some of the products below? If so please feel free to give me a little review. Pictures are always welcomed.
If you don't, but have a suggestion for something you do have experience with, and don't see it below, please feel free to share it.

Custom
I'm not opposed to a "from the ground up" build.
I have researched several custom barrel makers and it always seems to come down to Satern, Krieger, Shilen, Bartlein, Hart and a few others.
Money isn't a huge issue, as I have no time limit and can save up, but of course I don't want to spend more than I have to to accomplish my goal.
I have read that WOA(White Oak Armament) makes a fantastic barrel but I can't find any proof, only peoples opinions.

Complete
I have read some reviews that state BCM(Bravo Company) and Palmetto State Armory make a fine product that us also affordable. But how to they perform?
I'm really leaning towards a LaRue Stealth upper due to their stellar reputation. Getting to keep my money in Texas is a nice bonus as well.
I hear that Noveske is nice, but boy are they pricey.
Rainier Arms has a few uppers that have peeked my interest especially since they use a Shilen barrel.
LMT is another one that seems to come highly recommended but I haven't heard much about the other than on the inter-webs.

What are y'alls takes?


Last edited by MedicMan218; 05/17/12 04:43 AM.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3229866 05/17/12 04:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,036
B
bjones2571 Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
B
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,036
I have a PSA SS .223 wylde upper that is very accurate. Like it a lot, and think its much better than its price indicates.


Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: bjones2571] #3229875 05/17/12 04:54 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
Do you have any pics of your groupings?



"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: bjones2571] #3229878 05/17/12 05:00 AM
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 858
R
Ryan F. Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
R
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 858
Originally Posted By: bjones2571
I have a PSA SS .223 wylde upper that is very accurate. Like it a lot, and think its much better than its price indicates.
I have this exact same gun. My groupings are just under an inch at 100. I do handload though.





Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Ryan F.] #3230246 05/17/12 01:58 PM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 44,585
RKHarm24 Offline
sergeant
Offline
sergeant
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 44,585
Some of the uppers you mentioned are utility barrels. Chrome lined barrels are generally a service or working barrel. Stainless by the major manufactures are for more accuracy & precision.

The WOA 18" SPR I had on my Brandon built upper was far more accurate than me. I changed directions and had Brandon change out the barrel with an ARP 16" lightweight barrel. Lost 16oz of muzzle heaviness and 2". The ARP is CM and Melonite processed. Have not shot it yet.

Devildog28 has a WOA in 6.8 and it is a tackdriver.

If barrels are winning matches, they are accurate. Good trigger helps too.




Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: RKHarm24] #3230483 05/17/12 03:41 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
Trigger is planned to be a Geissele SD-E.



"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: RKHarm24] #3230490 05/17/12 03:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,054
F
Furb Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
F
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,054
I had Chuck over at Ross Precesion build me a 6.8 SPC II upper using a 20" WOA, with factory Hornady it is sub MOA and when I finally get around to buying my shell plate for reloading, probably even better.



HHUUMMMM, what to write, what to write, I got nothing.
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Furb] #3233315 05/18/12 08:12 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
I think I've decided on a build using a White Oak Aramament 18" SPR barrel.
But there is a dilemma....I have read that the rifle gas system would be best for an 18" barrel vs a mid-length gas system.
I can get a mid-length right now or I can wait three months and get the rifle gas system barrel.

I heard that the rifle length gas provides a softer recoil, cycling of the action and generally causes less wear in the moving internals.
What's y'all's take?


Last edited by MedicMan218; 05/18/12 09:03 PM.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3233574 05/18/12 11:10 PM
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,243
D
DallasShootingSupplies Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
D
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4,243
Originally Posted By: MedicMan218
I think I've decided on a build using a White Oak Aramament 18" SPR barrel.
But there is a dilemma....I have read that the rifle gas system would be best for an 18" barrel vs a mid-length gas system.
I can get a mid-length right now or I can wait three months and get the rifle gas system barrel.

I heard that the rifle length gas provides a softer recoil, cycling of the action and generally causes less wear in the moving internals.
What's y'all's take?


Yes, the rifle length SPR is much smoother than mid or carbine. Very noticeable! Unlike the difference in a mid vs carbine, which is very very little difference.




I use a 18nch WOA for everything, hunting and matches.




Last edited by DallasShootingSupplies; 05/18/12 11:14 PM.

www.class3machining.com
Barrel Threading
50k+ barrels done. Zero Baffle Strikes
www.facebook.com/barrelthreading
www.instagram.com/class_3_machining/
Recommended by Silencerco, Capitol Armory, Hansohn Brothers, Gemtech, Ally Outfitters, The Firearm Blog etc
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3233579 05/18/12 11:15 PM
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 14,278
F
Fooshman Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
F
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 14,278
Go with what Morgan said.


Last edited by Fooshman; 05/18/12 11:16 PM.

[Linked Image]

Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Fooshman] #3233593 05/18/12 11:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
I'm assuming Morgan in also DallasShootingSupplies?



"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3233594 05/18/12 11:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,036
B
bjones2571 Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
B
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,036
Yes


Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: bjones2571] #3233599 05/18/12 11:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
That's what I was leaning towards. I just needed someone more "in the know" to confirm I was making the best decision for my particular application.
Thanks fellas.


Last edited by MedicMan218; 05/18/12 11:34 PM.

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3233759 05/19/12 01:27 AM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,060
Ross Precision Gunworks Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,060
Not really that noticeable of a difference between mid and rifle gas in my opinion. I have both and only run rifle gas when I shoot suppressed. All other shooting is on my mid gas rifle.


Last edited by Ross Precision Gunworks; 05/19/12 03:15 AM.

Chuck Ross

"Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas"

"Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever"

United States Marines
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Ross Precision Gunworks] #3233841 05/19/12 02:09 AM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,197
C
Chris42 Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
C
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,197
Frankly, there are lots of really good complete uppers out there. If you already have the tools, great. If not, you'll do fine with a complete upper.

Personally, deer and pigs don't need MOA shooting, more like 1.5-2.0 for within 200 yards. Most barrels will shoot this. And a sub-MOA barrel won't shoot well if you give it cheap, surplus style ammo. Don't spent money on a barrel if all your going to do is feed it wolf or M855. I would get a 1 in 8 twist rate. It'll let you shoot the heavy bullets if you want to.

I'd love a white oak barrel,when i can afford the ammo.


Good luck. Have fun, your probably not going to have just one AR. smile


Last edited by Chris42; 05/19/12 02:11 AM.
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Chris42] #3233878 05/19/12 02:40 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
Originally Posted By: Chris42
Good luck. Have fun, your probably not going to have just one AR. smile
It's looking that way. I'm already thinking about a 6.5 Grendel and a 300BLK or 6.8 build.



"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3234006 05/19/12 04:01 AM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 44,585
RKHarm24 Offline
sergeant
Offline
sergeant
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 44,585
JCB and BIL are in the process of 6.8 builds...

Waiting for the completed pics and reports.




Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: RKHarm24] #3263350 06/02/12 09:55 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
Well, I ended up deciding to go with a 6.8 SPC II after I found out I had won an aoudad hunt and knew my 5.56 might not be able to handle that particular critter. The 6.8 will more than fulfill my needs for hogs and anything else I decide to hunt in the future so I figured "why not".

I don't know if anyone is interested in my build or not but here is the list I have. I just placed my final order and should be good to go from here as soon as it all comes in. There may be a small part or two that I can't think of at the moment but at least all the major components are taken care of.

Lower
Spike's Tactical Stripped Lower
Palmetto State Armory Lower Parts Kit w/o Fire Control Group
ARFX Skeleton Stock
AR15 A2 Rifle Stock Completion Kit
MAGPUL MIAD Pistol Grip
Spike's Tactical Billet Trigger Guard
Geissele SSA-E

Upper
AR 15 Performance 16" 6.8 - 4150 CMV Scout Profile Barrel
VLTOR MUR Upper Receiver
ITS Extreme Duty NiB Bolt Carrier Group
5X4 Compensator
Samson Evolution Free Float Tube 11"
BCM Gun Fighter MOD 4(Med) Charging Handle
VLTOR Low Profile Gas Block
Mid-Length Gas Tube



"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Fooshman] #3263373 06/02/12 11:43 AM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,856
3
30378 Offline
Veteran Tracker
Offline
Veteran Tracker
3
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,856
The real advantage to building is you end up with exactly what you want and down the road you are not buying pieces to satisfy your true needs. Buying a pre-built upper just gets you to the range faster.



NRA Benefactor Life Member - Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry a firearm.
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3263712 06/02/12 03:36 PM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 44,585
RKHarm24 Offline
sergeant
Offline
sergeant
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 44,585
Originally Posted By: MedicMan218
Well, I ended up deciding to go with a 6.8 SPC II after I found out I had won an aoudad hunt and knew my 5.56 might not be able to handle that particular critter. The 6.8 will more than fulfill my needs for hogs and anything else I decide to hunt in the future so I figured "why not".

I don't know if anyone is interested in my build or not but here is the list I have. I just placed my final order and should be good to go from here as soon as it all comes in. There may be a small part or two that I can't think of at the moment but at least all the major components are taken care of.

Lower
Spike's Tactical Stripped Lower
Palmetto State Armory Lower Parts Kit w/o Fire Control Group
ARFX Skeleton Stock
AR15 A2 Rifle Stock Completion Kit
MAGPUL MIAD Pistol Grip
Spike's Tactical Billet Trigger Guard
Geissele SSA-E

Upper
AR 15 Performance 16" 6.8 - 4150 CMV Scout Profile Barrel
VLTOR MUR Upper Receiver
ITS Extreme Duty NiB Bolt Carrier Group
5X4 Compensator
Samson Evolution Free Float Tube 11"
BCM Gun Fighter MOD 4(Med) Charging Handle
VLTOR Low Profile Gas Block
Mid-Length Gas Tube

I like your choices up clap




Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: RKHarm24] #3278657 06/08/12 01:04 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
Well, all the parts are in!
Just waiting on the Spikes upper from the group buy.



"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3278789 06/08/12 02:09 AM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 44,585
RKHarm24 Offline
sergeant
Offline
sergeant
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 44,585
Originally Posted By: MedicMan218
Well, all the parts are in!
Just waiting on the Spikes upper LOWER from the group buy.

FIXED up




Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: RKHarm24] #3281710 06/09/12 07:08 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
Yeah, well....uhhhhhh.
Forget you! Nit picker!
I must have been looking at the upper or something and obviously wasn't thinking.....brain fart complete.



"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3409850 07/25/12 08:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
M
Medic218 Offline OP
Bird Dog
OP Offline
Bird Dog
M
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 439
A little update for those who may possibly be interested.
I'm half way there. I'll be picking up my lower in a few hours and will have it done no later than Friday night.




5x4 Comp/Flash Suppressor from ARP.



"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" -- Ted Nugent
"Not everyone can be born with common sense, some are born liberals." -- MM218
Re: Complete Uppers or Upper Builds [Re: Medic218] #3411014 07/26/12 02:21 AM
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 189
G
Garthman Offline
Woodsman
Offline
Woodsman
G
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 189
Cool bro


Page 1 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2024 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3