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Re: A R problem [Re: TexasTransplant] #308937 02/09/08 08:57 PM
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if you dont know what youre shooting inside and out, then why even have it? shooting is not just point, click, boom.....its knowing windage,elevation,fps,temperature, how to react on malfunctions,


Re: A R problem [Re: mitchell_usmc] #308938 02/10/08 03:34 AM
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if you dont know what youre shooting inside and out, then why even have it? shooting is not just point, click, boom.....its knowing windage,elevation,fps,temperature, how to react on malfunctions,



mitchell,
You are a trained professional, who relies on his weapon to save his arse. A lot of the people on here shoot for sport, are great when it comes to putting a round where they want it to go as long as they have a rest and everything works out just right. When you depend on a weapon to save your life, it's a lot different than the average guy that likes to burn some powder to wind down from a week in the office.
I understand where you're coming from, but not everyone that shoots needs to know all of the physics to have a good time in the field.
I don't mean this to be negative toward you or the original poster, just try to look at things from all sides.
Thanks for what you do!


Re: A R problem [Re: mitchell_usmc] #308939 02/10/08 03:41 AM
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if you dont know what youre shooting inside and out, then why even have it? shooting is not just point, click, boom.....its knowing windage,elevation,fps,temperature, how to react on malfunctions,




I have no problem clearing a misfire under normal circumstances. I can completely disassemble and reassemble all my weapons. However, if one of them was stubbornly jammed shut with what may or may not be a live round, why would I mess with it in a non life threatening situation? For kicks?





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Re: A R problem [Re: TexasTransplant] #308940 02/10/08 02:33 PM
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First of all I would like to say my hand was not on the cleaning rod. Do to the length of the peice I was handling, the rod and end of barrel were pointed at the garage floor. I put pressure on the rod and pulled back on the handle. My hand and face were never in front of the barrel. If it had gone off and richoceted hopefully it would have bounced off the floor into the roof. I know in some opinions it wasnt a smooth move but I had conversed with several people with weapons training and felt comfortable trying this at home. Again thanks to those for the help this is now a dead subject.


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Not judging you taco, sorry for going down a trail that heated up the thread unnecessarily.





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Re: A R problem [Re: Brother in-law] #308942 02/10/08 04:35 PM
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You did fine. Just clean it much more often if you continue using Wolf ammo.



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Re: A R problem [Re: oulufinn] #308943 02/10/08 06:25 PM
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i wasnt talking directly towards anyone...i just think if you have a weapon you should know everything there is to know about it, i guess some people know cars other know guns, etc. i just like to know what im doing before the situation arises....i gurantee you tacosmell learned something from this experience, and im glad he did so that he can pass his knowledge on to someone else someday.


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i wasnt talking directly towards anyone...i just think if you have a weapon you should know everything there is to know about it, i guess some people know cars other know guns, etc. i just like to know what im doing before the situation arises....i gurantee you tacosmell learned something from this experience, and im glad he did so that he can pass his knowledge on to someone else someday.



Well put.


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First of all I would like to say my hand was not on the cleaning rod. Do to the length of the peice I was handling, the rod and end of barrel were pointed at the garage floor. I put pressure on the rod and pulled back on the handle. My hand and face were never in front of the barrel. If it had gone off and richoceted hopefully it would have bounced off the floor into the roof. I know in some opinions it wasnt a smooth move but I had conversed with several people with weapons training and felt comfortable trying this at home. Again thanks to those for the help this is now a dead subject.




If that round had gone off under those conditions the only richochet you would have been worried about would have been the bolt and receiver parts:).
If something like that happens again, put the action in a freezer overnite. The cold will usually shrink the metal enough to allow easy extraction assuming there hasn't been major physical damage to the bolt/chamber. If it won't fit in the freezer try the fridge or find one it will fit in. If it doesn't pop right open upon removal a hair dryer or heat gun can be used on the chamber area to help break it loose.
AR's aren't made for steel cased ammo of any kind and if that's a varminter it probably has a tight throat as well as chamber and may be intended for .223 rather than 5.56mm. Weapons with a Mil-spec 5.56 chamber have a long leade (throat) that slows the pressure build up significantly. The 5.56mm is usually loaded with this in mind and using it in a tight target/sporter style .223 chamber can stress the weapon to failure or at the least premature wear.


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