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 Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: PKnTX]
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01/24/08 02:59 PM
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if it were illegal to shoot does, then i won't fault a meat hunter for taken a the first buck he see's. its his right to choose his deer, weather it be for meat or for antlers.
however, it makes no sense if you hunt in a area where the state allows you to shoot several does, yet you knock off a young buck that would someday be a trophy to somebody who cares.
why do you think thousands of people from other states come to texas to hunt....because of the outstanding venison of our whitetails? they come because they want ot shoot something bigger than a 110 class 8 point and the people who blast the first thing they see make it nearly impossible.
this "gotta get mine while i can" attitude is just as bad as people who buy other, less affluent hunters out
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters - a bit long
[Re: PKnTX]
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01/24/08 03:00 PM
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My brother in-law and I are kinda sorta partners in my place and we have been working for 2 years now getting things set up. He is a meat hunter and I would consider myself a trophy hunter. It causes us no problems at all. Maybe we are different in that he understands how I ended up where I am at and I understand where he remains a meat hunter. He Loves Deer meat and I do not. We both worked on the same ranch where the owner lived off of the meat he killed, from his personal livestock to deer. We cleaned, scraped, plucked, skinned, boiled, ground, sliced and diced damn near every kind of edible meat (many not so edible in my opinion) known to exist in the area. I took both my sons on their first harvest and loved every bit of it.
Here is where I stand; I could give a rat’s [censored] about blood and guts at this point in my life. If I am going to harvest something, it will be put up on the wall. I have never taken anything worth hanging but I have eaten every bit that is edible of what I have taken. It has been over 13 years now since I have harvested an animal and I may never harvest another one. I got the place so that “WE” can get together, work, play, hunt, build, tear down, or jell out and do nothing but be together and enjoy one another company and the experiences. For that matter, a place where an individual can go and do all the above alone. I have worked my arse off getting the place comfortable for all of the above.
The results thus far have been one small deer my brother in-law took this last weekend for meat with me sitting in the stand with him and high 5-ving him after the kill. He was one excited puppy and that boils over where I could not help but be ecstatic for him. I helped him haul, hang, skin, and quarter the deer. The guts were all his. I got the bucket and hauled the guts to back place for him while he washed up. He had huge smile, and a cup of coffee with a shot waiting for me when I got back. He knows what he wants and I know what I want. I know that if the Moby wall hanger comes out he may take it and it would be meat and a trophy and he knows that I will take it will be a trophy that has meat.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: PKnTX]
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01/24/08 03:02 PM
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WHY IS IT THAT FOLKS WANT TO PRESS THEIR BELIFES ON OTHERS.
IF YOU WANT TO TROPHY HUNT ON YOUR PLACE/LEASE GET AFTER IT.
IF YOU WANT TO SHOOT WHAT EVER IS LEGAL ON YOUR PLACE/LEASE GET AFTER IT.
IF YOU WANT TO TELL SOMEONE ELSE HOW THEY SHOULD RUN THEIR PLACE/LEASE SHUT UP AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. SHUT UP AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: meathunter]
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01/24/08 03:02 PM
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Amen Meathunter,
We had some young men take good deer this year, my boys included. The value of each deer is imeasurable. The future of the sport rests upon the shouders of these young men. This is where our efforts and energies would be well placed. I try and emphasise to my boys the holistic aspect of hunting, based upon woodcraft skills, patience, and the nature of the land itself. I hate to see the wal-martisation of the sport. A buck this big costs ??? or a trophy buck for ???????
whatever happend to just being lucky?
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: meathunter]
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01/24/08 03:06 PM
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Big Orn
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I was just looking through webster's dictionary and did not see a definition for a Trophy Buck. Please fill me in on the definition. I do not know what the two buck's my seven year old scored and probably never will but they are both trophy's to me and him. They were his first and second deer he ever killed. They are in the photo section and you can look and see the pictures and the expression on his face and then try and convince him they are not trophy deer.
I think I'm gonna hafta break out that ol boy beating that dead horse...but... 
I'm not disputing the fact that all of us, individually, have our own definitions of a "trophy buck", all (not just some) magzines, books, TV shows, etc, speak of a buck that meets a set of criteria, classifying it as a "Trophy".
This is speaking in literal terms.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: Buckmgmt]
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01/24/08 03:15 PM
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If your a "true" meat hunter, why would you shoot a young deer when the older ones typically have more meat on them? From a mangement standpoint, the small "basket rack" bucks you say you have taken may have been good deer to remove.
The younger the deer the more tender the meat!!   j/k Saw an opportunity there...
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: Big Orn]
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01/24/08 03:24 PM
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I think a lot of this has to do with when and where we were raised. My hunting started on a 1/4 section in the hill country in the late 70s that was probably as over hunted as any place you'll ever see.
At that time you could not take does unless you had anterless permits that were given to the landowner. It was not uncommon to see 50-60 does a day within 100 yards. They would look up at you and go right back to eating because they knew you weren't going to shoot them. By the same token anything that showed up with antlers on its head got smoked. To say you "got a deer" meant you shot a buck, any buck, because that was your only option.
Now if you old guys feel like jumping in here and correcting me, feel free. I was only about 10 at the time but that's how I remember it. If this is not the way it was then my dad has some explaining to do!
Never the less, I now probably sit on the fence on this whole issue. I know does need to be taken and they're better eating than bucks anyway but there's just something about taking a buck. Like I said, I guess it's how I was raised.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: txtrophy85]
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01/24/08 03:28 PM
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if it were illegal to shoot does, then i won't fault a meat hunter for taken a the first buck he see's. its his right to choose his deer, weather it be for meat or for antlers.
however, it makes no sense if you hunt in a area where the state allows you to shoot several does, yet you knock off a young buck that would someday be a trophy to somebody who cares.
why do you think thousands of people from other states come to texas to hunt....because of the outstanding venison of our whitetails? they come because they want ot shoot something bigger than a 110 class 8 point and the people who blast the first thing they see make it nearly impossible.
this "gotta get mine while i can" attitude is just as bad as people who buy other, less affluent hunters out
My county only has the first 15 days of gun season as doe days, some counties only have Thanksgiving weekend. If your doe days are gone, and your freezer is empty, what are you supposed to do? Kill a doe anyways? That's surely illegal!! Not hunt the rest of the season, and not put meat in your freezer? I don't think so...I always try to put atleast 1 or 2 deer in the freezer a year, if they are both bucks so what? I don't shoot deer that I know are young, and if you think that my deer aren't mature enough for you to have killed them. SO WHAT. My gun, my lease, my deer,...NOT YOUR CONCERN.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: OFBHWG]
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01/24/08 03:29 PM
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WHY IS IT THAT FOLKS WANT TO PRESS THEIR BELIFES ON OTHERS.
IF YOU WANT TO TROPHY HUNT ON YOUR PLACE/LEASE GET AFTER IT.
IF YOU WANT TO SHOOT WHAT EVER IS LEGAL ON YOUR PLACE/LEASE GET AFTER IT.
IF YOU WANT TO TELL SOMEONE ELSE HOW THEY SHOULD RUN THEIR PLACE/LEASE SHUT UP AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. SHUT UP AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!
EXACTLY!!! 
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Practice makes permanent.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: Huntalot]
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01/24/08 05:45 PM
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Frankly (at least to me), it seems that the meat hunters do most of the attacking (at least on this website). Outside of JP of course.
In all my years of hunting I have never seen a meat hunter attack a trophy hunter. I have never said myself or heard someone say...."Geesh your an idiot for letting all those deer walk and you have nothing to show for the whole season". But how many times have we heard.......Why did you shoot that small deer, or that buck is too young to shoot, or hear some self professed "Trophy hunter" whine, and complain that he let a deer walk only to have it jump the fence and hear a gunshot a few minutes later and someone else has shot that deer.
Me personally, I love trophy hunters. If I know the lease next to me is going to be up for lease, who do you think I am going to tell about it.........someone who is like me that will shoot the first thing that walks out, or a trophy hunter..........I am telling the trophy hunters about it and keeping it from the meat hunters. That way I can be the one that sticks an arrow in that small buck that they let walk.
And the whole "shoot the doe instead of a buck thing is a bunch of hooey" I get 3 tags at my place and I go into each season intending to fill all 3 irregardless of what shows up and when it does.
I have always said, if on opening morning of bow season an doe, her doe fawn, and her buck fawn come into the feeder. I will shoot the big die first, if the doe fawn stands there I will shoot her next ,and if the buck fawn is still standing there, I will runa third arrow through him too. And I will not have a single regret about it. It will be a wonderful me ory that I get to share with frinds and family.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: HunterTed]
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01/24/08 06:28 PM
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In all my years of hunting I have never seen a meat hunter attack a trophy hunter. I have never said myself or heard someone say...."Geesh your an idiot for letting all those deer walk and you have nothing to show for the whole season".
I hear it all the time. People are always asking me how I can spend so much time and money and not shoot a buck.
I just tell them that I'm a lousy hunter.  Seems like all I can find are some does
Everyone is different in their likes, dislikes and beliefs. That's what makes the world keep turning I guess.
To each their own.
MC
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: HunterTed]
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01/24/08 06:33 PM
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WHY do we keep beating this dead horse ,if you are a meat hunter fine if you are a trophy hunter then fine to ,i myself am a meat hunter /trophy hunter if i have the chance to shoot a trophy then i will if i dont i will shoot anything i can to feed my family ,,i really dont like the name for either i really prefer to call myself a BOWHUNTER ,,,thats it im done
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: MikeC]
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01/24/08 06:43 PM
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I agree with hunterted, not once have i ever wrote on this forum about those bad ol hornhunters! If you want big ol set of horns thats ok with me it just gives me more younger bucks to kill! Thanks hornhunters!
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: Hoytman]
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01/24/08 06:45 PM
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If you want big ol set of horns thats ok with me it just gives me more younger bucks to kill! Thanks hornhunters!
LMAO! 
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: Big Orn]
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01/24/08 07:17 PM
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I don't see how anyone can gripe about the other, unless they are doing something illegal, or violating rules of your hunting grounds,etc. If some want to volunteer rules like 8's or bigger, 3.5 and older, bucks only, so what! But to come on here or hear or anywhere and badmouth someone who is on another lease or public land or wherever, and they choose to take one that's not "up" to your specs...that's dumb.
You drive a BMW. OK, I drive a Ford. That doesn't make me wrong or you right. Just different. Maybe there should be a lane on the freeway for BMW's, Mercedes' Lexus' and Jaguar's only....or you can only drive on the tollway if you drive a FORD, that's the same logic, just dumb.
DT and others have it right, we need to stick up for each others right to hunt as they please...if it's OK for horny hunters to change the rules, it must be OK for non-hunters to change the rules too.
Same for outlawing certain guns...maybe you don't see the need for AR-15's, so you'd be OK with outlawing them. Maybe I don't see the need for 3.5 inch 12 gauges...should I say its OK to outlaw them? Again, that's dumb.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)]
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01/24/08 07:24 PM
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3.5 12 gauges is just plain overkill! JUST KIDDING!
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: Hoytman]
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01/24/08 07:35 PM
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ITS BORING AROUND HERE WITHOUT RANDALL TO PLAY WITH
When you need a Piano moved there is always someone around to help you with the stool!
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: OFBHWG]
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01/24/08 08:20 PM
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ITS BORING AROUND HERE WITHOUT RANDALL TO PLAY WITH
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: HunterTed]
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01/24/08 08:55 PM
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Frankly (at least to me), it seems that the meat hunters do most of the attacking (at least on this website). Outside of JP of course.
In all my years of hunting I have never seen a meat hunter attack a trophy hunter.
Happens every day on this site when the meat hunters pass on their views about ARs. Not in the way you said. In the manner in which they defend their views....
Why are we still having these discussions.
WOT - (waste of time).
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: sig226fan (Rguns.com)]
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01/24/08 08:58 PM
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I don't see how anyone can gripe about the other, unless they are doing something illegal, or violating rules of your hunting grounds,etc.
I agree with your point on most instances. My counterpoint (has nothing to do with ARs or Trophy or Meat hunters) is the landowner who overhunts areas on bordering property. In my mind, that is a legitimate gripe that is not easy to solve.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: Huntalot]
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Frankly (at least to me), it seems that the meat hunters do most of the attacking (at least on this website). Outside of JP of course.
In all my years of hunting I have never seen a meat hunter attack a trophy hunter.
Happens every day on this site when the meat hunters pass on their views about ARs. Not in the way you said. In the manner in which they defend their views....
If it wasnt sided in favor of the trophy hunters and unfair to the meat hunters there would be no gripe at all.
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Re: just a little rant on trophy hunters
[Re: HunterTed]
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01/25/08 12:49 AM
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In all my years of hunting I have never seen a meat hunter attack a trophy hunter
Well I have a treat for you. Scroll up to the post by bitmap.
Solving this is incredibly simple and ony requires 1 action from the trophy hunters and 1 action from the meat hunters.
The meat hunters can get off their high horse whining about how stupid the trophy hunters are and how they are driving up hunting costs.
The trophy hunters can get off their high horse whining about the meat hunters shooting the young bucks. Once we all get off our high horses and can look each other in the eye, both sides' attitudes (or nose locations) will change.
And as an added bonus, once all the trophy bucks are gone and everyone is shooting the first buck they see, hunting costs will fall down where they were 25 years ago before trophy management ruined the whole sport. Sorry, my horse is so high I have to get down in stages.
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