And there you have it...Hate to hear stories like this from landowners and wish all Dad's would be "DAD" not just a title...because some won't be a parent and supervise/control thier offspring(train them up in the way they should go...) we all have a more difficult time finding a good hunting property for all to enjoy but we cant blame the landowners.

Well mine will be 17 this next season and IMHO he is at the age he is no longer a youth who hunts off of my spot/tags. I will help him pay a spot on the lease or we can do a couple of outfitted hunts but I am glad I no longer have to have that concern lease hunting.

And another point is safety. I quit dove hunting with a friend who got his two kids involved. It was his land and some years were great hunting but most were mediocre. We always had a good time camping and eating though. Then came his kids with guns. Sitting in camp with the kids walking around with loaded guns, getting swept by the muzzles constantly and dad not doing anything to control or fix it was too dangerous for me. I miss hunting with him but I couldn't do it anymore so I don't dove hunt with him.

I have never been on a lease where the landowner did not allow children. Its always been encouraged by them. But I have been on leases where the Camp Boss had his own rules against kids in camp. So it's not always the landowner. That being said, there are alot of places in South Texas that I wouldn't take my kids. Too many run-ins with illegals.

There are no POS kids. POS parents...yes. We encourage kids. If a kid messes up, his/her parents are the problem...not the kid.

I don't mind hunting with kids (I have three boys so I have plenty of experience hunting and fishing with kids!). What I do hate is hunting with adults who ACT like kids - at least kids on alcohol binges.

I drink beer and have nothing against it,but I have taken friends hunting on my property and had them get so sloppy drunk that they can't even get their but out of bed in the morning.

Kids - I'll take them any day over some of the "adults" I have hunted with.

BTW - I am a SERIOUS bow hunter so maybe I have a little lower tolerance for camp shenanigans like I used to in my younger years.

One of the biggest reasons I got a lease was to introduce my grandkids to hunting. Teaching them to hunt, clean game, and shooting safety has been very rewarding for the entire family.

From the landowner's viewpoint, the only objection I can see is an out of control pre-teen on an ATV tearing up his pasture. But that would get you ejected from most leases without a refund & rightfully so.

It is sad kids are not allowed on some leases but I believe it is a direct reflection of the adult. I have seen plenty of young people I would not want to be anywhere around me when I am hunting. Funny thing is, I can't stand their parents either. My dad started taking me from the very beginning. He taught me to respect others and the game. If I would have done anything that would have annoyed him,others,the game, or the land he would have worn my tail out. My kids now get the same treatment. My kids will not be a nuisance to anyone without suffering severe punishment and they know that. Also, my kids love going to the lease more tahn anything else they do.

Keep looking, there are some places out there that will. My Dad tought me the proper way to hunt and be around guns at a very young age. Killed my first deer at the age of 7 and now I am only 20, still pretty young, but I have quite a few years under my belt. I hope you find a place because letting youth hunt and getting them interested in the sport will let us continue to hunt. Happy hunting.

I will always hunt with my kids. When I posted this question I was not downing anyone person, but it looks like it hit a little to choose to home for some. I can honestly say I will never join a lease that does not allow kids. That being said, I also would not sit there and not allow mine or anyone one else's kids to get out of control with out saying something. Land owners and lease managers can and have kicked people off the lease with no refunds. And if you don't control your child then you can be kicked off your lease, or from that point on not bring your kids out anymore. And that can be in the lease contact. For the land owners, I am the first to say it is your land and you should be able to do whatever you want or don't want to do with it. I'mjust saying I don't get the logic in it.

The logic is "IT IS THEIR LAND" and they can do whatever they want to do. If they want to lease it to nothing but children it is their choice. If they want to only lease it only to women that is their choice. If they only want to lease it to men over 60 that is their choice. That is the logic.

I have met landowners that say no kids and when I asked him how are the children of the future suppose to learn how to hunt, he kinda stopped me and said lawsuits is what changed him to redo his rules.

That is why I will never leave the lease I am on...Our land owner leaves it to us to what we shoot. If we want to bring our kids then bring them. If they are big enough to shoot deer, turkey, quail, or dove let them shoot. All he ask is that we take care of his property which we try to go beyond his expectations, and when ever we see him we will give him a hand with what ever needs to be done.(mending fences, fixing cattle pens, or just sitting down with him and talking)

Granted we might not see a lot of deer or shooters, but the time out there and what we are able to do is AWESOME. Plus for what we pay for the 1400 acres is another BLESSING.

Don k, First off I did say I am a firm believer in you should be able to do what ever you want to with your land. So you did not have to take offence and get your under shorts in a wad and shout " IT IS THIER LAND " . And if you didn't know that typing all capital letters is considered shouting now you do. I am not trying to get under yours or anyone else's skin. If saying something like I just don't get the logic gets you or anyone else offended then maybe you or they should ask yourselves why. Because it is just my personal opinion .

LIABILITY, KIDS CANNOT SIGN A RELEASE AND THE PARENT CANNOT SIGN ONE FOR THEM.

You might want to check on that again tractorred. A parent signs for release of liability for their kids all the time . What do you think they sign, before any sergery on their child. Also, before they can shoot at any gun range, go on any school trips, or scouting trips. Think about it before you try to answer any questions. It just doesn't make you look any smarter. Especially when shouting in writing. If you do not believe me, just ask you lawyer.

Does not make any difference, kid gets hurt landowner gets sued.

I guess I am one of the few that can see both sides to this.

On one side, I will always have a lease that allows kids and encourages kids. I want my kids to grow up in that environment and have the same opportunities and experiences that I did and I hope they will have fond memories of going to the lease with dad. I agree that the kids are our future and we should do everything we can to encourage more to get in the field.

On the other hand, there are places that just aren't kid friendly. Some are because of the drunk, loud, rowdy hunters that want to party. Other leases are set up for very serious hunters only. Other leases might just be a group of single guys that have a place to "get away" and don't want to deal with other peoples kids.

Different people are looking for different things. The market will reflect that and I think that the owner/manager has every right to impose whatever rules he thinks best fits his place.

Adult gets hurt, landowner gets sued. You think that piece of paper will save them? It will be a very small part of the lawsuit.

Many people don't realize the liability that a landowner faces.

This is getting out of hand. I think everyone has the right to stipulate what ever rules they want on their land or if they represent the land owner as the lease manager. I was just stating my honest opinion. I was not looking for a fight with anyone. I however, was just stating that I didn't understand why anyone would not want kids to have the opportunity to hunt with their parent. As long as the parent kept them in check.