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Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: ATracker] #2971060 01/30/12 01:18 AM
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Great story. Friends of Animals had no ammunition at all. Looked what Texas did compared to her little herd of Animals. If she really cares, why don;'t she buy some animals from Texas Ranchers and take them to Africa or wherever she likes to start their population. All she cares about is Anti hunting B.S.


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: B-Man] #2971061 01/30/12 01:19 AM
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I think it was a surprisingly fair representation and insight into the exotic industry in Texas. With that said, it's an absolute shame to hear someone say that they would rather see a token amount of animals in their "native" habitat than a thriving population here in Texas. I think the thought I'll take away from the show is when they asked the rancher, "So with the new ruling, who's winning?" And he answered "no one, but one thing I know is they're losing," and pointed to the oryx.


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: goodgolly3811] #2971064 01/30/12 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: goodgolly3811
Her whole defense was that she was against hunting, Not saving the Oryx.


Exactly, the FOA organization is an anti-hunting/meat org. They promote vegan diet and no meat. They want to stop eating if ALL animals. They are just playing on emotions against hunting or killing of animals altogether. Even cows, chickens, pigs, etc.


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I wish a cow would poop in her Bed. Then we will see how much she "loves" them...


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: ATracker] #2971075 01/30/12 01:23 AM
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Just shows how many decisions are made by the Gov. without any valid reasoning. Trying to be politically correct, catering to the minority and not paying attention to the facts and also ignoring the majority. Our wonderful Government.



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Good show


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: goodgolly3811] #2971237 01/30/12 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: goodgolly3811
Just shows how many decisions are made by the Gov. without any valid reasoning. Trying to be politically correct, catering to the minority and not paying attention to the facts and also ignoring the majority. Our wonderful Government.

It's not entirely government's fault. This lady and her Friends of Animals group used the legal system and the fact that the 3 species are on the endangered species list. We must get an exception put into the listing of species that allows for their increase in numbers even on hunting ranches or takes into account their total population number regardless on where they exist in the world.

I'll be the 1st to admit I was mistaken on the level of danger these anti-hunting groups represent. After watching that woman from FOA clearly show her hippie side, with complete disregard for the animals she claims to be helping, I believe we need a complete overhaul for the ESA.




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Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: T4PL] #2971273 01/30/12 02:25 AM
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Hello all my fellow hunters! Long time lurker finally joined and first post here.

As previously said she is only using these three endagered species as a start to stop hunting all together. Her agenda is much deeper than the animals. Her sole intent is to stop hunting all together. All of us hunters shouldnt take this lightly this is a real threat to our way of life. These tree-hugging liberals have tons of support and money to help back them. Do everything in your power to help the fight against them. Join the NRA, go to banquets like NWTF, SCI, Rocky Mountain Elk foundation and any others in your area. I wish they would have invited the Nuge on the show and let him at her. A liberal owned channel such as that one would not allow him on though because he is to extreme for them. I could go on and on with this subject but I will stop there as my blood pressure is rising just thinking about it!

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Wish this was showing on the West coast. I looked but we have nothing but garbage on for the 60 minutes show. I will have to look online.


edit found it online!


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Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: ATracker] #2971314 01/30/12 02:40 AM
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That lady is nancy pelosi stupid crazy. I cannot believe these stupid liberal agendas. This great nation was built on capitalism and god willing will continue so as long as there is value something will thrive how stupid can a person be to not see that. They just devalued the oryx much like our dollar by these moronic peoples actions couldnt they see the correlation!!!!!!!



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Originally Posted By: ATracker
Wow! I cannot believe what I just watched because I was expecting a very biased story. Friends for Animals…yea right, her reasoning was totally lunacy and not once was it stated why these animals are extinct or endangered in their home land. Thanks to the curator at Fossil Rim for telling the truth of the future for these animals in Texas. Hopefully this story will help to reverse the USFG ruling!
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The 60 Minutes correspondent for the report, Lara Logan, grew up in South Africa. Perhaps she has been around more sport hunting than the average Dallas girl? I thought Logan was even-handed in her coverage on a supercharged issue. The story definately could have turned out worse, for sure.

I think she is the same reporter who was sexually assaulted and nearly killed last year in Cairo's Tahrir Square????



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Originally Posted By: dawaba

I think she is the same reporter who was sexually assaulted and nearly killed last year in Cairo's Tahrir Square????

Yes it was her and I read on another website that she is married to an avid hunter from Fredericksburg.


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Curious because I only caught the last half of the story...

They mentioned you won't be able to hunt an oryx without a federal permit in the future? When is that? What value will they have after that? Probably a lot less than people are charging now!


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Was just on the animal friends website. It would seem they are all vegans and are against hunting less about the African species. Not sure how saving the species here can help the herds in Africa. Thumbs up for the Texan ranchers.


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If you want to watch it.....


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: Nathan Nelson] #2971995 01/30/12 01:02 PM
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It was a great show and I think Charlie did a great job representing the industry. That show helped bring out the truth that these FOA people are a bunch of idiots and the EWA is a great organization that really does want to save these animals.



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CBS & Show was great...But the FOA and likes need the spotlight put on their true intentions, and how the varies exotics species will suffer and become extinct because of their lack of understanding.



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I thought the story was well done, but a little too late now. As stated several times in this thread these people are anti hunting not pro Oryx. I think a few people are missing that point and this is just the beginning my friends. They will pick another 3 shortly, and go after them with a leg to stand on then another 3 and so on. If you are not a member of SCI or the EWA I would highly recommend becoming a member and become informed of what is going on. Or in a short time there will be no more hunting. Very similar things are going on with the wolves being reintroduced and decimating big game species in several states. These people know what they are doing and calling them names on a forum isn't going to help. We need to be organized and fight back. We are all hunters and need to stand up and fight back together against organizations like this FOA . First step support the organizations that are leading the charge.



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Originally Posted By: PBGSO
I thought the story was well done, but a little too late now. As stated several times in this thread these people are anti hunting not pro Oryx. I think a few people are missing that point and this is just the beginning my friends. They will pick another 3 shortly, and go after them with a leg to stand on then another 3 and so on. If you are not a member of SCI or the EWA I would highly recommend becoming a member and become informed of what is going on. Or in a short time there will be no more hunting. Very similar things are going on with the wolves being reintroduced and decimating big game species in several states. These people know what they are doing and calling them names on a forum isn't going to help. We need to be organized and fight back. We are all hunters and need to stand up and fight back together against organizations like this FOA . First step support the organizations that are leading the charge.

Agreed. Why can't our groups fight in court to get the wording changed in the ESA to represent what's really going on with exotic species currently? The ESA was written before Texas began the introduction of exotic species in a major way. I think with a unified pro-hunting community we could show in court the hypocrisy of the ruling and that the FOA is encouraging the species to remain endangered and threatened with extinction.

REINTRODUCTION INTO AFRICA IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION FOR MOST OF THESE ANIMAL SPECIES. Times have changed and the continent is not a safe place for endangered species. TEXAS IS THEIR BEST CHANCE!




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I thought the story was well done, but a little too late now. As stated several times in this thread these people are anti hunting not pro Oryx. I think a few people are missing that point and this is just the beginning my friends. They will pick another 3 shortly, and go after them with a leg to stand on then another 3 and so on. If you are not a member of SCI or the EWA I would highly recommend becoming a member and become informed of what is going on. Or in a short time there will be no more hunting. Very similar things are going on with the wolves being reintroduced and decimating big game species in several states. These people know what they are doing and calling them names on a forum isn't going to help. We need to be organized and fight back. We are all hunters and need to stand up and fight back together against organizations like this FOA . First step support the organizations that are leading the charge.

Agreed. Why can't our groups fight in court to get the wording changed in the ESA to represent what's really going on with exotic species currently? The ESA was written before Texas began the introduction of exotic species in a major way. I think with a unified pro-hunting community we could show in court the hypocrisy of the ruling and that the FOA is encouraging the species to remain endangered and threatened with extinction.

REINTRODUCTION INTO AFRICA IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION FOR MOST OF THESE ANIMAL SPECIES. Times have changed and the continent is not a safe place for endangered species. TEXAS IS THEIR BEST CHANCE!


Changing the wording of the ESA has to come from Congress, which unfortunately is not likely in today's environment. The EWA and SCI are actively pursuing these options, and I would strongly encourage any with an interest in the matter to support them.. Unfortunately, in the current environment, it's highly unlikely to happen. Would have to hope for a significant shift in the balance of power in Washington. If the current group can't get a major pipeline approved to create 20k jobs and improve energy security due to the environmentalists, not likely to see an ESA revision any time soon.


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I just watched it online after a friend told me about it at work. I was surprised that it was not a piece that leaned to the far left. It actually looked at it from a logical standpoint (shocker).
Also, the lady from Friends of Animals looked very unhealthy. Probably from a lack of protein in her diet. If she could taste an oryx backstrap, she might change her mind on animals altogether.


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Is there any kind of Appeal that can be brought and is a species actually endangered in North America? I understand they are endangered in Africa and does the endangered species list worldwide or by continent?


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Joining the convo late (had to watch the dvr'd episode late last night >> was chasing bison in West Tx).

Most of the comments here so far are pretty spot-on w/ my feelings of the show. Was very surprised at a fair (all we can ask) portrayal of the situation. Most of the comments I've seen & read online (and even received from hunters AND non-hunters alike) overwhelmingly sides with the 'exotics' on this one...which is obviously good in the long run.

The negative comments I'm hearing are entirely from those IN the exotic industry that say "wish they would have said this...", "they didn't mention this...". To this I say "baby steps".

This was definitely a small victory for the exotic hunting industry. I agree that they could have said ALOT of things to better explain the reality of the situation, but we have to understand that it's only an hour long show (and only 15 min segment).

One thing that I will add, just FYI...Lara (the reporter) is the sister-in-law of an exotic outfitter here in Texas. We can probably thank that relationship for an unbiased story.



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