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Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: T4PL] #2975276 01/31/12 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: T4PL
That was surprisingly favorable to the exotic ranchers. The lady from Friends of Wildlife was clearly shown to be more anti-hunting than pro-Oryx conservation. The argument against the new ruling was clear after the story.



Agreed. I thought for sure it was going to be a "hit piece" that was anti-exotic hunting. But in fact, it does
show that exotic ranchers are helping out in keeping the species numbers from extinction. I wonder
if the Fish and Wildlife Dept. will take heed of this story and rule in favor for the ranchers to keep
the hunting option open and available to their clients. scratch



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At the meeting last week it was stated that the Endangered Species Act was signed into law during the Nixon Admin. The person from the USFWS said that they are given the task of running it. They do not start it. He also stated they had enough to do without getting more on their plate.


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: don k] #2975482 01/31/12 02:49 PM
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Just watched,

I thought it was a very well produced piece, and found that, if anyone with half a brain watched it, would see that the rancher,and the convervationist put the animals first, the FOA lady, didn't care about the animals, she just wanted to stop hunting, regardless if the species benefited from it.

I wish one of the ranchers would have brought up the point that there are no more animals left in their native range, due to unregulated hunting.



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Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: txtrophy85] #2975510 01/31/12 02:59 PM
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I watched it last night as well and I thought it was put together pretty well. The lady from FOA came across as a complete loon.


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: don k] #2975808 01/31/12 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: don k
At the meeting last week it was stated that the Endangered Species Act was signed into law during the Nixon Admin. The person from the USFWS said that they are given the task of running it. They do not start it. He also stated they had enough to do without getting more on their plate.


Are you talking about the permitting seminar w/ the USFW in Kerrville last Thurs? I did not have a chance to attend, but really wanted to. If you are, and that's what their rep. said, that's pretty discouraging.

"Hey, we didn't start this, don't blame us" or "Don't ask me, I just work here...". Cop outs. Very lame IMO.

YET, the USFW invested 2+ years of time, money & effort into making sure this ruling took effect and is put into place (then regulated). Sounds like politicians 'passing the buck' to avoid blame & having to answer any real questions.

If they have too much "on their plate", it might be time to pass the plate...they're making a damn mess of the kitchen!



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Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: AllAboutExotics] #2975918 01/31/12 05:27 PM
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i thought 60 minutes did a good job getting both side of the story.


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: Black02z28] #2975928 01/31/12 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: Black02z28
I watched it last night as well and I thought it was put together pretty well. The lady from FOA came across as a complete loon.


not to mention ugly as shyte



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Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: AllAboutExotics] #2975952 01/31/12 05:37 PM
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If I understood them correctly they along with EWA and Safari Club went to court to block the rule. They lost and the rule was implemented. EWA is appealing the ruling but USFWS dropped out of the appeal. It is kind of like if the Fed. Gov. passes a law that you can only drive 20/MPH on the interstate. The DPS is told they have to enforce the speed limit. The highway patrolman if he wants to keep his job doesn't have a lot of choice no matter what he thinks about the law. To me it sounded like it was the same with the USFWS. And unless the rule is blocked in court it will never go away. You could raise 3 million oryx in the U.S. and the rule would still be in effect. They have to become un-endangered in their native country.


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: don k] #2976204 01/31/12 06:58 PM
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That's the issue though. They will never become un-endangered in their native country without the help of conservationist here in Texas. As well as in their own country.


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: txtrophy85] #2976259 01/31/12 07:16 PM
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not to mention ugly as shyte


That's an understatement, lol


Re: Texas exotic hunting on "60 Minutes".... [Re: cowboybam58] #2976283 01/31/12 07:23 PM
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That's the issue though. They will never become un-endangered in their native country without the help of conservationist here in Texas. As well as in their own country.
They will never become un-endangered in their own country because they could give a rats a** if they do or not. You give them money to help the animals and it never gets to where it should. You send animals over there and they eat them. The only way the endangered species act is going to change is in the courts.And as long as you have a bunch of "Liberals" as judges it won't.


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Has anybody ever heard the quote "An emergency in your department doesn't constitute and emergency in mine."? Why does low #s in another country dictate the law in our country? Are we surrendering our sovereignty on this level? If so what other level are we going to surrender it on? Our guns? Our economy? Our liberties? If Obama and crew stay in office this is where we are headed like it or not.



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Originally Posted By: passthru
Has anybody ever heard the quote "An emergency in your department doesn't constitute and emergency in mine."? Why does low #s in another country dictate the law in our country? Are we surrendering our sovereignty on this level? If so what other level are we going to surrender it on? Our guns? Our economy? Our liberties? If Obama and crew stay in office this is where we are headed like it or not.


I'm not an OBAMA man but its funny ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING get blamed on the current president. This issue started along time ago.



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Originally Posted By: passthru
Has anybody ever heard the quote "An emergency in your department doesn't constitute and emergency in mine."? Why does low #s in another country dictate the law in our country? Are we surrendering our sovereignty on this level? If so what other level are we going to surrender it on? Our guns? Our economy? Our liberties? If Obama and crew stay in office this is where we are headed like it or not.


I'm not an OBAMA man but its funny ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING get blamed on the current president. This issue started along time ago.

I agree with that and most everything else posted on this topic. The problem is the Endangered Species Act. It is archaic and doesn't represent the situation going on presently. Those animals have no chance to ever recover in Africa. War, poverty, poaching, and primitive farming/grazing traditions will prevent these species from ever reaching the ESAs definition of NOT ENDANGERED. We are ceding our authority if we let our laws be dictated by foreign problems. If Oryx and the other species could talk, I guarantee they would be freaking screaming against going back to Africa. There only hope for survival is here on ranches in Texas.




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It may not be obama but it is the liberal presidents that put these judges in office.


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Anyone know where I could watch this online/if it's available?


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Anyone know where I could watch this online/if it's available?


Link was posted.


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Yeah need to send her to Senegal to become an Exotic in that country!! But, hopefully not to reproduce!



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Thats so sad, Im kinda of speechless. I took my wife and two young kids this past weekend and I took a 40 inch cow oryx. She will be a great addition to my trophy room and we had fried backstrap on Sunday and Baked some on Monday night the table fare is awesome. I am glad I got mine before it was to late.


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I sent Mrs. Feral an email thanking her for the opportunity she gave me to hunt oryx because without her push for the new ruling the prices would have never gotten down to what they are now and without her "saving" them then the hundreds that are being killed now would have lived to reproduce and increase the population. There were no insults and I even told her that I understood not everybody shared the same views but she should really take a hard look at what is going on with the Oryx in particular right now. It was received but I got no response.


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