LMFAO!!! You know me so well. Your asking people to flood my in box because I dont think you need a supressor for deer hunting. What an arsehole!!! Like I said really not an issue with me if it passes or not. If people are so worried about their ears they would use ear protection. I havent seen a lot of arguments about silencing shotguns. Whats the difference?

I feel like a total jacka$$ for pushing Scott into coming on our site. You guys always have supressor questions and inquiries and he is a perfect guy to answer those(it's his sole business, other than his govt job). If its a supressor, he either owns it, shot it or sells it, and for a silenced noobie like me he could answer all the questions a "salesman" couldn't. Scott loves to hunt, shoot and the 2nd amendment, and promoting THAT is the only agenda I've ever seen him push. Scott I'm sorry your catching hell but I support your cause, your business ad the 2nd amendment bc I have the choice and right to.

I wouldn't let the "narrow mentality" of a few on here keep him from coming on here and sharing his knowledge. There will always be those that will try to poop on the parade. It usually those that are either jealous,elitist,don't have the money(or don't want to spend it) or just want to stir the pot.

In this particular circumstance, there is no reason why it shouldn't get passed. I have yet to see one valid point not to pass it.

I agree. It's unfortunate when something like this comes up some people focus so much on why they think something shouldn't be legalized that they completely miss why it should. I think the day the state starts passing game laws based only on what they believe we need or don't need to kill deer, we're in big trouble.

I stand 100% fully behind this effort. The quieter the better. I'll buy a suppressor the minute the law is passed.

Thank you TP&W for considering the issue!

Im saving to buy one whether the law passes or not.

I hope it passes, cant count how many times I've got tinnitus because I didn't have time to put on ear protection before the shot presented itself.

Brother, don't feel bad. I have thick skin. 4 years in the grunts...I can pretty much take anything. The thing that astounds me is the biased uneducated opinions. I will listen to any reasonable argument as long as it is educated.

These are uneducated arguments:

It is unfair to the animals becasue they cannot hear the shot. Flase. The crack of the bullet will still cause a LOUD report.

The decrease in the level of sound pressure generated will cause a drastic increase in poaching.

False. The firearm will still have an audible report; however, the hunters ears will be protected. Even muffs and in ear protection do not completely protect your ears. Audiology studies have concluded that hearing damage will still occur. Waves can travel through your bones. The only true way to prevent hearing loss when shooting is at the muzzle. Combined with hearing protection, a silencer will almost eliminate hearing damage.

People who poach, are by definition criminals. People who go through lengthy process to purchase an NFA item are by definition law abiding citizens. SILENCERS ARE ALREADY LEGAL IN TEXAS. If someone wanted to lawfully purchase a silencer to poach with, THEY CAN ALREADY DO SO. It is an asinine argument to say that because it is leagal to hunt with silencers, more people will use silencers to poach. WTF?!

What about bows and crossbows? I am a bow hunter too. Here is a proposition for all of the people that think there will be an increase in poaching with legally owned silencers and are ok with other forms of hunting: The law should require that every bow hunter MUST carry an air horn and blow it 3 times at the release of an arrow to ensure that a game warden and all of the other game in the area know that a shot was released. Sounds good, right?

Ignorance can be corrected through education. You cannot fix stupid. If someone has an argument that is educated and viable, I am all ears.

P.S. I would say that 90+% of the people here are awesome. There is always 10% no matter where you go

Ear muffs and plugs do not STOP hearing damage. The only way to effectively stop hearing damage is at the muzzle. If you wear muffs and plugs in conjunction with a suppressor, then, and only then, do you completely eliminate hearing damage. Ear muffs work in a range of reducing sound pressure from ~15-29dB. Ear plugs range from abou ~14dB-33dB. No one talks about frequency. Different frequencies are handled differently by in/on ear protection. THE MUZZLE IS THE ONLY PLACE TO EFFECTIVELY REDUCE HEARING DAMAGE.

So, you are in the stand, you have a couple coons hanging off your feeder shoving paw fulls of corn into their faces and all you get to do is hope they go away.

Me, on the other hand(pending the law passes),i switch to my subsonic 300blk rounds and put a few coons on the ground. My black is more than quite enough not to spook a deer that is floating around. I switch back to my super sonic rounds and i am ready to kill a deer. All this while still wearing hearing protection.

Moral of the story, you have the right not to agree with silencers for deer hunting. Please, please, please, don't screw us over just because YOU don't "see the need for hunting deer".
We need a united community to overcome all advisories that want to take our rights away. We can't be split. If we are, we our selves will be our own demise.


Edit...I really should preview my posts LOL

I don't understand why an individual would want to keep more rules in place just because they don't see the need.

There's scores of firearm hating politicians, currently holding public office that think no one "needs" a firearm. Are they right? Absolutely not! I say if they don't want to own a firearm, that's their business, but don't tell me I can't own one just because you don't want to!

Deer hunting with a supressor is the same thing. If a Texas hunter chooses not to hunt with a surpressed rifle, that's his/ her business. But that same hunter doesn't have the right to tell me that I shouldn't kill deer with a surpressed rifle.

Guess we will find out today?

You will always have the naysayers!

Take hunting with crossbows for instance!

Whoa is me that they should become legal and all the deer that would be slaughtered with those string guns at long range.

Well they legalized them, and the deer populations in the state of Texas haven't been wiped out yet!

I haven't checked the TPWD site for poachers using crossbows, but I'm pretty sure they haven't become the weapon of choice either.

What about subsonic ammo? I shoot hogs with sub sonics just so they will run off and die. I'm no expert on this matter so this is a question. Will subsonics kill a deer without a perfect shot?

This has been my thought. I would shoot regular ammo thru mine just to knock off a lot of the noise

I'm sure most would, but you know that Billy Bad A would shoot subs for headshots or some other reason. Do yall think that it would increase the number of wounded/non recovered animals? I know that the 44sp ammo is subsonic and it wont kill hogs on the spot.

Will it kill it? Eventually but you won't be collecting the meat. Even on a little piggie a 208gr subsonic load was a clean through and through. You should expect that there is no expansion so the shot would need to be near perfect, at least so that it immobilizes the deer. I usually go for shoulder shot on a pig so they won't be able to run away.

On legally shooting a deer with subsonic, is there any energy limit in Texas that needs to be followed?

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A free man should be able to hunt with a suppressor.

So you dont think a double lung shot with a .30cal bullet will lead to a quick kill? I personally think the lung area on a deer is pretty large..

so did it pass

Wow. All this debating about poaching, what will kill, what won't, what's legal, what's not.... And I don't see where anyone has brought up the fact that not being able to use a suppressor is just another infringement on our liberties. I realize suppressor ownership is perfectly legal (I have more than one), but what I'm getting at here is why are we perfectly alright with "accepting" more regulation, but we fight when there is a chance to "roll back" and reduce unnecessarily regulation????

Guys, this should be a no-brainer if you are pro-liberty and pro-freedom. Why allow this minor infringement? Speak up and speak out. Criminals, poachers, etc. have always done what they wanted.

Probably as quick as a 22LR or .223 using FMJ would kill it with the same shot placement.

It was just presented today, I don't think there is a vote for a while on it.

http://www.texaschllicense.com/2012/01/t...th-suppressors/

It is still going to be illegal to hunt deer with a .22. That being the case, a supressor used on a center fire rifle will only quiet down the muzzle blast. Most of the sound you hear from a center fire rifle is the bullet breaking the sound barrier. If you think a supressor will help someone kill more deer or get away with poaching, then you are basing your argument on fiction and ignorance. Suppressors do not make rifles silent, so to say that a deer will not hear you shooting at it is completely rediculous and ignorant of fact.
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