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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: redchevy]
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01/12/12 10:47 PM
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If it ever comes to a vote, I will vote there be only 1 general season, all legal mean would be allowed. I think if you want to challenge yourself to bowhunt that is fine, but you still get to hunt with the rest of the people. If you didnt get to start a month early there wouldnt be as many bowhunters as there are. And no I dont care how many bowhunters there are, and yes I do believe that a separate bow season divides hunters in general as I have had many bow hunters look down their nose at me in the past.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/12/12 10:49 PM
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No bow season\if you bow hunt it would have to be during the regular season. (I don't think its fair to nonbow hunters)
Yes the opinion in bold has been taken way out of context! This opinion was expressed based on a lease only not as a national past time or statewide! I also explained to Stick chunker that this was something not set in concrete several times! I think maybe he was so upset he couldn't read correctly? lol
I know of several bowhunting leases in my area, am I offended well hell no! Dan mentions something to the effect that it shouldn't matter on a lease because the bowhunter should be hunting in his area exclusively. Deer do move around and sometimes make a routine of visiting several different feeders\areas so that reasoning doesn't make sense to me.
I am glad everyone enjoyed the debate and I am going to post up another debate issue soon in the deer hunting section on feeder\blind ideas for a new lease.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: rifleman]
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01/12/12 11:48 PM
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I'm a believer than anything out of the ordinary on a property will cause mature deer to act different. This could be scenting a place up, starting to show up at weird times of the day and walking by and looking at scrapes and such where their senses are keyed in on smelling what's going on. I agree. To a mature buck, the woods are like your bedroom. Add something that wasn't there the day before and he'll recognize it immediately. It's why seasoned hunters know the best time to hunt a newly positioned stand is the same day you put it up. And let's be honest and add that it's something that bow hunters know as well, and which gives them that early season advantage.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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01/13/12 12:09 AM
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I'm a believer than anything out of the ordinary on a property will cause mature deer to act different. This could be scenting a place up, starting to show up at weird times of the day and walking by and looking at scrapes and such where their senses are keyed in on smelling what's going on. I agree. To a mature buck, the woods are like your bedroom. Add something that wasn't there the day before and he'll recognize it immediately. It's why seasoned hunters know the best time to hunt a newly positioned stand is the same day you put it up. And let's be honest and add that it's something that bow hunters know as well, and which gives them that early season advantage. Completely agree. And let's be honest, you could have the early season advantage too 
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: txshntr]
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01/13/12 01:49 AM
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No body ever said life is fair. Every path has a puddle.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/13/12 01:53 AM
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: BLUERIBBONS]
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01/13/12 02:14 AM
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No bow season\if you bow hunt it would have to be during the regular season. (I don't think its fair to nonbow hunters)
Yes the opinion in bold has been taken way out of context! This opinion was expressed based on a lease only not as a national past time or statewide! I also explained to Stick chunker that this was something not set in concrete several times! I think maybe he was so upset he couldn't read correctly? lol
I know of several bowhunting leases in my area, am I offended well hell no! Dan mentions something to the effect that it shouldn't matter on a lease because the bowhunter should be hunting in his area exclusively. Deer do move around and sometimes make a routine of visiting several different feeders\areas so that reasoning doesn't make sense to me.
I am glad everyone enjoyed the debate and I am going to post up another debate issue soon in the deer hunting section on feeder\blind ideas for a new lease.
First off, you not using my correct name is just as childish and saying bowhunting is unfair. Secondly, I keep hearing that I took it out of context. How is that even possible? "I don't think it's fair to non bowhunters". Is that not what you said? Is that not what this thread is about? Whether you expressed it as a lease or statewide does not matter. The fact is that you stated you thought it was unfair. Which again is what the thread is about. Better to be thought of as a fool than to type in this thread and prove it.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: txshntr]
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01/13/12 02:23 AM
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And let's be honest, you could have the early season advantage too Not interested in being able to get a head start on others to kill an animal that I really don't need, much less to hang on a wall. It's also why you'll never find me hanging off the side of a tree, 20 ft in the air. After a needless accident, I don't want anyone to ask why I thought it was so important to kill a deer.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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01/13/12 02:31 AM
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And let's be honest, you could have the early season advantage too Not interested in being able to get a head start on others to kill an animal that I really don't need, much less to hang on a wall. That's pretty much the Little Johnny story all wrapped up in a nutshell.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: BowSlayer]
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01/13/12 03:18 AM
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I was thinking the guy was talking about me for a minute.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/13/12 03:26 AM
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I was thinking the guy was talking about me for a minute. 
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/13/12 03:44 AM
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I will have to agree with most everyone one else on here, everyone that deer hunts in the state of Texas has the same oppurtunity as we do, its not our fault that TPWD gives us an extra month to hunt, so i dont really see how anyone can say its unfair.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: stxranchman]
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01/13/12 04:30 AM
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I have never bowhunted, but I don't see it as unfair. If it got under my skin, I would just go buy a bow
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/13/12 03:13 PM
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I hunt with a bow year round. If you are gun hunting and you can't kill one in the two + months you get you are in the wrong spot or you stink at it.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/13/12 03:22 PM
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Oh my word...I CANNOT believe I just sat here and read this entire thread, but dang if it wasn't some of the best reading yet!  Here is a simple solution to it all. 1st, TPWD has GOT to STOP restricting bowhunting to a select few and open it up to the general public! 2nd, the bow manufacturers have GOT to STOP deciding that "only" a select few can purchase their products And 3rd, disregard 1 & 2, and just realize some hunters need to get the corn cob out of your #@@ and realize WE ALL HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY, we just CHOOSE not to take advantage of said opportunity P.S. I've never hunted using a bow...just tired of the crap about making everything the same for everyone. Because IT ALREADY IS!! Okay, carry on 
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: TxDispatcher]
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01/13/12 03:48 PM
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WOW atarted reading this one last night and just got a chance to finish, if you are on a rifle only lease and you are mad at the bow only lease next door then you need to get with the rest of the group and change yalls thinking( AKA buy a bow) Now if you are on a lease that you have the option to do both then why dont you take advantage of more time in the woods??
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/13/12 03:49 PM
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Nothing is unfair until it benefits someone other than yourself. 
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/13/12 04:10 PM
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The discussion also seems to point to the fact our worst hunting "elitist" can be found within the bow hunting community. Say what you want, but without expection, the hunters who appear the most possessive of the woods are the ones who bow hunt only. Now that's not to say that every guy who only bow hunts comes off as an elitist. But I've never known a bow hunter who doesn't hesitate to grab a gun and hunt during the general season who came off that way.
Appearing as an elitist is something that I struggle with myself in protecting the value of true hunting skills at the expense of simply watching over food plots and feeders.
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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01/13/12 04:25 PM
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The discussion also seems to point to the fact our worst hunting "elitist" can be found within the bow hunting community. Say what you want, but without expection, the hunters who appear the most possessive of the woods are the ones who bow hunt only. Now that's not to say that every guy who only bow hunts comes off as an elitist. But I've never known a bow hunter who doesn't hesitate to grab a gun and hunt during the general season who came off that way.  How in the hell did you pick that up from this discussion? #1. I choose to hunt with a bow. I get to hunt one month early. #2. You choose not to hunt with a bow, but are capable of doing it. You don't get to hunt one month early. You claim it is unfair. Lets change it a bit. #1. I work. I get to have a hunting lease. #2. You don't work, but are capable. You can't afford a lease. You claim it is unfair.  Sound familiar?
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: txshntr]
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01/13/12 04:27 PM
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The discussion also seems to point to the fact our worst hunting "elitist" can be found within the bow hunting community. Say what you want, but without expection, the hunters who appear the most possessive of the woods are the ones who bow hunt only. Now that's not to say that every guy who only bow hunts comes off as an elitist. But I've never known a bow hunter who doesn't hesitate to grab a gun and hunt during the general season who came off that way.  How in the hell did you pick that up from this discussion? #1. I choose to hunt with a bow. I get to hunt one month early. #2. You choose not to hunt with a bow, but are capable of doing it. You don't get to hunt one month early. You claim it is unfair. Lets change it a bit. #1. I work. I get to have a hunting lease. #2. You don't work, but are capable. You can't afford a lease. You claim it is unfair.  Sound familiar? Sounds "elitist" to me 
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
[Re: stxranchman]
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01/13/12 04:46 PM
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whoooo calm down fellow hunters, I do like to bowhunt, Tell you the truth i was kinda on the fence when they came out and said anyone can hunt with a crossbow, A crossbow and a compund bow a different to me what do yall think
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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whoooo calm down fellow hunters, I do like to bowhunt, Tell you the truth i was kinda on the fence when they came out and said anyone can hunt with a crossbow, A crossbow and a compund bow a different to me what do yall think Oh yeah...that topic will calm it down 
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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The discussion also seems to point to the fact our worst hunting "elitist" can be found within the bow hunting community. Say what you want, but without expection, the hunters who appear the most possessive of the woods are the ones who bow hunt only. Now that's not to say that every guy who only bow hunts comes off as an elitist. But I've never known a bow hunter who doesn't hesitate to grab a gun and hunt during the general season who came off that way.  How in the hell did you pick that up from this discussion? #1. I choose to hunt with a bow. I get to hunt one month early. #2. You choose not to hunt with a bow, but are capable of doing it. You don't get to hunt one month early. You claim it is unfair. Lets change it a bit. #1. I work. I get to have a hunting lease. #2. You don't work, but are capable. You can't afford a lease. You claim it is unfair.  Sound familiar? Sounds "elitist" to me  
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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The discussion also seems to point to the fact our worst hunting "elitist" can be found within the bow hunting community. Say what you want, but without expection, the hunters who appear the most possessive of the woods are the ones who bow hunt only. Now that's not to say that every guy who only bow hunts comes off as an elitist. But I've never known a bow hunter who doesn't hesitate to grab a gun and hunt during the general season who came off that way.  How in the hell did you pick that up from this discussion? #1. I choose to hunt with a bow. I get to hunt one month early. #2. You choose not to hunt with a bow, but are capable of doing it. You don't get to hunt one month early. You claim it is unfair. Lets change it a bit. #1. I work. I get to have a hunting lease. #2. You don't work, but are capable. You can't afford a lease. You claim it is unfair.  Sound familiar? Sounds "elitist" to me  Still sounds "elitist" to me 
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Re: "Unfair" to allow bowhunting in October?
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Let's also not forget the thread way back in late October that questioned if squirrel hunters should yield the woods to bow hunters on October 1st. That too yielded a few hot collars.
However, it did solicit a few responses that caused me to opt for the 12ga Remington in lieu of my little Browning .22 rifle.
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