When the guy mentioned class action it kind of made the legit-ness of this argument dwindle in my mind. Also the fact that I know Dave has one and has never said anything also game me pause.

Middle finger...must be the trigger guard. I heard the when they came out with the 3.5" Vinci they made some slight changes...wonder if it was addressing this.

Not a good comparison really since the Glock is a semi as well.

It's legit. There are people, not sure enough for class action, but I have seen quite a few people talking about it. I am not sure I wouldn't put a piece of athletic tape on it to keep it from pinching and hurting though. Problem solved. Although I do understand the thought of taping your finger or the gun and paying what they cost that they shouldn't do it.

I think if you patterned and counted your 3.5 vs 3 you would see you aren't getting near the advantage you think you are by the longer shells. For the true heavy payload advantage you need to get a 10ga...the bigger bore allows for better patterns on the heavier payloads that the 3.5's are shooting. Granted that is 2 guns vs being able to do it with 1.

You're right, need has nothing to do with it...it's want.

I'd think the longer shells would give you a longer shot column, so that sort of thing wouldn't show up on a piece of 2D cardboard when you pattern the gun? The pattern may not be wider, but it at least should be deeper.

Can you tell me more about this shotgun? Not familiar but I am interested. Thanks

The best gun is the one that will fit you best. As far as brands and models go, I believe they've been named already. Benelli superblack eagle 2, Benelli M2, Benelli Vinci, Benelli super Vinci, browning Maxus, browning silver, beretta extrema 2, beretta A400 (hasn't been out long but is suppose to be good), Winchester SX3....I personally own the Benelli M2 and am in love with it, simply fits me great as well as the super black eagle (same gun, just shoots the 3.5 inch). Pick one of the brands and find which one fits the best.

By the way, don't ever ever ever ever ever buy a new 870...if you do make sure it's an old one or a wingmaster.

I have both the Franchi I-12 and Benelli SBE. I got the Franchi for a 100 less than I paid for the Benelli 10 years ago. For the money I love the Franchi, but I keep grabbing the old faithful when I head out the door.

I couldn't say, I haven't used 'em all. But, I own three Berettas, 390 and 391. Dead bird.

Why not? Not a fan of synthetic stocks?

They are junk...not the quality of the old ones. I have a fairly new 870 Supermag...not the best shotgun in the world. If you are going to save money just buy a used one...I think that's Featherduster's point.

Here's a link to a review and a link to Able Ammo where you can buy one. They are the AK47 of the shotgun world. Simple and reliable, but kinda plain jane looking. They do take up to 3.5 inch shells.

Review
http://www.americanhunter.org/articles/baikal-mp-153-shotgun/
Able Ammo
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/ussg-mod...h-p-120933.html

I have a synthetic stock 870 that is only 3 years old, put ~800 - 1000 shells through it so far with no problems. Last weekend I hosed it down to get all of the mud off before cleaning it...

edit - I also use full synthetic motor oil on it instead of expensive gun oil.

I'm glad it's worked out well for you. Mine has problems ejecting shells from time to time.

I hope you got the information you were looking for, because there have been a lot of responses, and evidently I hijacked your thread.

Sorry 'bout that. I'm going to head for the door now...

Huh??????
Baikal MP 153 7.6 lbs (per their website)
Beretta Extrema II 7.8 lbs

You are paying too much.

I'll agree with the paying to much...

FOosh, post some pics of your russian tanks

I think they are pretty simple to clean. I've never had to adjust the gas on any of mine.

I owned one that was wood. I'm guessing the black ones are lighter. Weight isnt really an issue anyway when duck hunting...in fact more weight can help reduce recoil.

Yeah I had one I bought used...it had problems until I figured out how to adjust the settings and then it worked great. As for cleaning yeah it was a pain in the [censored]...if you have one for a long time obviously you'll figure it out. I didnt have mine long enough to ever get too comfortable with taking it all apart. Another guy who will remain nameless took his apart and lost a part...lol. Bottom line it's not like taking apart a benelli.

Please do tell....where is the best deal??? I don't own one, but have shot a freind's and was impressed. I am looking at buying one and saw Able Ammo had the Camo 26" bbl for $443.
Thanks

I'm guessing he is thinking used. To me $443 for a camoed one sounds good.

How many pics do you want?

I just weighed some for giggles...

Wooden = 7.35#
Synthetic = 7.67#

Nova = 7.66#
Maxus = 7.10#