Thanks, I guess.

Ok here's a fact, baiting a deer by the very definition I posted earlier, which BTW you chose to quote and leave out half of, is in FACT trapping.

Trapping
1.
a contrivance used for catching game or other animals, as a mechanical device.

2.
any device, stratagem, trick, or the like for catching a person/animal unawares.

Pay particular attention to number 2. Now answer this, are you or are you not using a stratagem/trick or the like for catching an animal unaware. You in FACT are as you stated, "The corn SOMETIMES causes a deer to stop in the sendero long enough to get a shot. But he dang sure ain't "trapped" in the sendero." So sir, unless you want to write the folks who make the dictionary and have them change the definition of the word, you in did trap a deer in the sendero by baiting him with corn(that is if you shot him).

I still don't see why exactly your are taking such offense at my comments when similar views as mine have been posted in this very thread. I don't care how you choose to shoot your deer as long as it's legal. But I'm not going to concede that baiting an animal is the same thing as hunting one down, no matter what name you would like to call it. Call it hunting, spelunking, say you went boogyboarding for deer. Don't matter to me. If you feel insulted, oh well. I hope everyone enjoy's shooting a deer this year, call it whatever you want .

"2.
any device, stratagem, trick, or the like for catching a person/animal unawares."


So anytime I catch an animal unawares, I am trapping them? Mostly anytime I get a shot at an animal, they are unawares. I am a trapping Jessie, huh?

booiiiinnnnnnnggg

Frenzy, why are you trolling? You had to know you were coming into a Texas Hunting Forum as stated by the name (duhhh).....and you had to know that the main method applied in the state of Texas was using corn (or you would have chose another topic). I say kill this ridiculous thread and

Hey I made one post, that was very similar to what others have posted and then I get these 2 deeks coming after me lol. I have no problem with using corn, as I've said and I've done. I think I may have just hurt these poor fella's pride by saying hunting and baiting are differant things. Having done both many many times, I'm not gonna change my opinion on it. Not gonna apologize for it either.

Originally Posted By: BenBob
"2.
any device, stratagem, trick, or the like for catching a person/animal unawares."


So anytime I catch an animal unawares, I am trapping them? Mostly anytime I get a shot at an animal, they are unawares. I am a trapping Jessie, huh?


Frenzy said:

Try reading it a little more thoroughly and you wouldnt have to ask that question. Did you use a device, strategem, trick, or something simililar? If the answer's yes, then there ya go smart guy.


So if I use the stratagem of sneaking up behind a tree, jumping out from behind said tree while screaming "boo!" at a deer on the other side, I will therefore have trapped it...

Man I love this forum but the hunting snobbery gets pretty old. I can sit on my tripod near the pond and wait till animals come for a drink. Is that "baiting" them with water? Or maybe hunker down at the edge of an oak grove and wait for them to come get some acorns. Thanks God, for "baiting" the area for me. Hunting during rut and I'm using the does for bait. The list goes on and on. Unless you shoot deer in their sleep you are taking advantage of some kind of bait. My thinking is you're baiting the hunters on this forum into an argument by making inflammatory comments and accusations. Also, if you have to look up the word "trap" in the dictionary to prove a point you have bigger problems than being a hunting snob.

You hit it on the head!

No I'm just defending what I posted. Shouldn't have to but I'm not gonna change my opinion. I don't see any jumping all over any of the other guys who posted similar views as mine, so IMHO the ones calling me out are the hunting snobs.



Didn't see anyone jumping all over this guy for saying "selective harvesting" but if I say "baiting" oooo look out lol. He even said spot and stalk is about as "hunting" as hunting gets. And I agree with him 100%. Is baiting wrong? Nope, I think it's great especially in Texas where where it provides the opportunity for so many to shoot a deer. Do I put the use of training deer to come to feeders by baiting them on the same level? Sure don't. In a thread titled "hunting vs harvesting" did you really come and read it expecting everyone to agree that baiting an animal is on the same level as stalking it? All the folks calling me out or saying "ive got bigger problems" are the real snobs. Can't have a differant opinion or get treated like a leper lol.

selective harvesting is just that....selecting which deer to cull out of the herd. nothing to do with baiting

Why are you so offended that I say baiting? Is that not what feeding deer corn is? What should I call it then?

p.s. you can have differing opinions but you are putting people down for it and specifically have stated that it's not hunting. again.......stating that on a hunting site where people use corn is looking for a fight. don't walk into a prison with your arse hanging out and expect not to get whistled at...

so i went from shooting deer to trapping them, hmmmmmm trapping them with a boolit, hmmmmmmm. guess were all criminals cause trapping deer is ilegal

I keep throwing out corn, but have yet to trap a deer. Seems they can walk right over it...

Wierd, huh?

It's not baiting, because it is Hunting. Unless you spot and stalk, to you, everything else is baiting, but obviously you have forgot what the term hunting meant. You can call it baiting, but it is called hunting, and the shooting of an animal is harvesting.

if you hunt in the woods or along a clearing your also baiting because the deer would not be there otherwise.........

This guy was one of the very first poster's in this topic. He too does not consider sitting over a feeder hunting. Didn't see half the uproar about his comments on feeders not being "hunting." And I also agree with this guy 100%.

A lot of the "foreigners" to Texas do not realize that natural deer food is not in an abundance in most of Texas. They were not here when the deer population in the Hill Country was the only sustainable and hunt able deer population in the state. It was the automatic corn feeders that created and sustain the current deer population.

If feeders were banned today, a large portion of the deer population would starve to death and the population would revert to the pre 1970 days. Where to see 1 buck was great year, to kill one was considered an act of God. Doe permits were allocated in the counties based on the population of deer, in 1970, Taylor county landowners were given 1 doe permit per 325 acres.

We have to forgive these "foreigners" for they do not know enough about Texas to make an informed comment. Let us enlighten their ignorance instead of condemning them stupidity.

You read that, and he never dismissed Texas hunting as hunting. He just said if he wants a better challenge he'll go after something else. You need to give up frenzy, because you're not going to be right. So I think we need to change the name of this place to the Texas Baiting and Trapping Forum

Oh, boo hoo, everyone is picking on poor little me. Just me, no body else. Boo hoo.

And you still haven't answered the question about how throwing out corn "traps" a deer. even by the definition that you looked up and posted, it ain't trapping.

Your welcome to your opinion. Just don't try to support it with flawed arguments.

Seems going by your definition of what hunting is and isn't you don't hunt either.
That is unless you stumble upon a deer by total surprise without any plan or forethought.

Stratagem
: an artifice or trick in war for deceiving and outwitting the enemy.
: a cleverly contrived trick or scheme for gaining an end.
: skill in ruses or trickery.
: a trick or plan for deceiving an enemy or for achieving a goal.

You deceive a deer by merely being in the woods where they don't expect humans.
You trick them by wearing camo using scent control or anything as concealment.
You outwit them by studying their habits and using their feeding & bedding areas and travel paths as an ambush sight.

So you're not a hunter either,,, welcome to the club

I believe that is one of the worse attempts to justify a position by use of a definition that I have seen