AR for or against

Since the other posts were so full of opinions I was curious the actual for and against votes, this may have already been done before but maybe not at this time of year or this year...thanks

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Re: AR for or against [Re: rstewlandman] #270064 12/06/07 02:57 AM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,339 N. Fort Worth C caldwelldeerhunter THF Trophy Hunter
caldwelldeerhunter THF Trophy Hunter C Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,339 N. Fort Worth	I like the rule because young bucks get time to mature and if I see an older buck that does not go past the ears I will tag it as my cull buck, I win both ways! If I put my wife in a high fence will her rack get bigger?

Re: AR for or against [Re: caldwelldeerhunter] #270065 12/06/07 03:30 AM
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Wild Boar Pro Tracker W Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,074 Savoy, Tx.	Quote: I like the rule because young bucks get time to mature and if I see an older buck that does not go past the ears I will tag it as my cull buck, I win both ways! You need to double check, in a AR county there is only 13" inside spread or wider, and a buck with at least one unbranched antler(spike)be legally taken. A 10 yr old forky with a 12" inside spread cant be shot. P.W. ARCHERY www.boardhunts.com

Re: AR for or against [Re: caldwelldeerhunter] #270066 12/06/07 03:32 AM
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Ranch Dog Veteran Tracker R Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,116 Retired	Same here, no doubt about it. Deer are mature. If you are a horn guy, more horn. If you are meat guy, more meat. Since the AR rules came to my area, it is easier to get the doe permits.

Re: AR for or against [Re: Ranch Dog] #270067 12/06/07 12:03 PM
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texas8point Tracker T Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 708	Although Im for the restrictions.......I killed a 3 1/2 year old 8pt with 10" G'2s and his spread wasn't quite 13" wide.......His genetics........so if they had the restrictions in Freestone County my buck woulda died of old age and not my 300mag.

Re: AR for or against [Re: rstewlandman] #270068 12/06/07 04:15 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 11,175 Greg THF Celebrity
Greg THF Celebrity Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 11,175	AR's should be banned. No need for a semi auto black guns anywhere. I think people that own them are up to no good.

Re: AR for or against [Re: Greg] #270069 12/06/07 09:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,220 Corinth, Texas L LG Extreme Tracker
LG Extreme Tracker L Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,220 Corinth, Texas	Greg, I believe "AR" is for antler restriction not the AR type of gun. Not all AR owners are up to no good. LG Never look a monkey in the eye

Re: AR for or against [Re: LG] #270070 12/06/07 09:55 PM
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FoxTrot THF Trophy Hunter F Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 7,455 Holland America	I am for it in most instances. There are a few like the 5.5 yr old 10 pt with a 12" spread, but it lets a lot of deer mature. Originally Posted by Chief Joe I avoid Dick's and hope they fold.

Re: AR for or against [Re: FoxTrot] #270071 12/06/07 10:15 PM
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PHishTX Pro Tracker P Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,220	Antler Restrictions??? . . . . . What Antler Restrictions??? Originally Posted By: WMI report "If age structure is deemed to be valuable to management,...What percentage change in age structure or condition does TPWD recognize that it needs to detect in order to trigger a regulatory change? TPWD

Re: AR for or against [Re: Greg] #270072 12/06/07 10:44 PM
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kansasmedic Tracker K Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 686 Independence, Ks	Quote: AR's should be banned. No need for a semi auto black guns anywhere. I think people that own them are up to no good. ...including the military???? BIG HOPES FOR '07

Re: AR for or against [Re: kansasmedic] #270073 12/06/07 11:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,204 The last LF ranch in S. Texas J Jimbo THF Trophy Hunter
Jimbo THF Trophy Hunter J Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,204 The last LF ranch in S. Texas	So from reading this thread I understand it is legal to take only a 13" buck with an assualt rifle? Thursday at 12:45 PM #33 Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.

Re: AR for or against [Re: Jimbo] #270074 12/06/07 11:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 11,175 Greg THF Celebrity
Greg THF Celebrity Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 11,175	Quote: So from reading this thread I understand it is legal to take only a 13" buck with an assualt rifle? as long as you take the suppressor off first.

Re: AR for or against [Re: Greg] #270075 12/06/07 11:40 PM
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Longhorn95 Veteran Tracker Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,633 San Antonio	I am against Arkansas.

Re: AR for or against [Re: Jimbo] #270076 12/07/07 12:33 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,048 Burleson, Tx T tgil Veteran Tracker
tgil Veteran Tracker T Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,048 Burleson, Tx	Quote: So from reading this thread I understand it is legal to take only a 13" buck with an assualt rifle? I've seen this thread for days and hadn't opened it because I didn't want to have to defend my oppinion of the EBR. I finally click on it and we're talking about horns? I'm all for horn restrictions. Anyone had any experience, or heard about any, with a hunter shooting a buck that was 12" on the inside, but 13" on the outside then being checked by the game warden? http://gofoxpro.com www.outfoxedproducts.com

Re: AR for or against [Re: tgil] #270077 12/07/07 01:23 AM
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cajundave Veteran Tracker C Joined: May 2007 Posts: 2,632 Midlothian	Game management is trying to do something. I know it doesn't work completly, but what else can they do that is "easily" identifiable? I guess they could go by points, but then you might have a 5 year old spike with a 15" spread (heck, that might look interesting now that I think about it). I hunted a bunch of years in Louisiana and I would like to have seen something to limit the always meat harvesters out there. "Guns aren't toys!They're for family protection,hunting dangerous or delicious animals,and keeping the King of England out of your face!" H.Simpson

Re: AR for or against [Re: Wild Boar] #270078 12/07/07 01:32 AM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,339 N. Fort Worth C caldwelldeerhunter THF Trophy Hunter
caldwelldeerhunter THF Trophy Hunter C Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,339 N. Fort Worth	Quote: Quote: I like the rule because young bucks get time to mature and if I see an older buck that does not go past the ears I will tag it as my cull buck, I win both ways! You need to double check, in a AR county there is only 13" inside spread or wider, and a buck with at least one unbranched antler(spike)be legally taken. A 10 yr old forky with a 12" inside spread cant be shot. I know what the rules are but I am willing to take my chances trying to manage my lease, I will break off horns if I have to If I put my wife in a high fence will her rack get bigger?

Re: AR for or against [Re: caldwelldeerhunter] #270079 12/07/07 02:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 11,175 Greg THF Celebrity
Greg THF Celebrity Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 11,175	Quote: You need to double check, in a AR county there is only 13" inside spread or wider, and a buck with at least one unbranched antler(spike)be legally taken. A 10 yr old forky with a 12" inside spread cant be shot. Take head shots on those deer when they are looking right at you and break the skull cap right down the middle with the bullet... then depending on how you hold the two pieces you can make 13"

Re: AR for or against [Re: caldwelldeerhunter] #270080 12/07/07 02:20 AM
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passthru THF Celebrity P Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,784 Saginaw, Tx	I know there are better systems to accomplish the goals but they are hard to implement. It is feasable to do the antler restrictions. Imperfect yet somewhat effective. The truth is most "meat" hunters (of whom I used to be one) will readily shoot the 150" B&C buck that I have fed and passed up for 4 years waiting for him to become a trophy when he jumps my fence onto their property/lease then proclaim the greatness of thier hunting prowess. If those guys would stick to shooting genetically inferior bucks and let those with trophy potential go then it would work without the state stepping in but that ain't happening. Regulations are driven by many things, one is public demand and the squeakiest wheel gets the grease. We who horn hunt join TTH, buy the seed and farming implements, pass more deer than we shoot and spend lots of money on the pursuit. When money talks the industry acts. Rude but true. The reason leases are unreasonably priced is because people are paying the price. Unless our economy crashes it will only get worse. I work hard, drink a little and hunt when I can. NRA Life Member https://sofalasafaris.com/

Re: AR for or against [Re: rstewlandman] #270081 12/07/07 05:55 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,597 Weatherford, TX H HunterTed Extreme Tracker
HunterTed Extreme Tracker H Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,597 Weatherford, TX	I ABSOLUTELY HATE ANTLER RESTRICTIONS.............ALWAYS HAVE ALWAYS WILL. I am an indescriminatory deer hunter. I shoot them irregardless of age, horn size or sex. I have nothing against those that are selective in what they shoot, but thats not me. I tried it for a couple of years and having an empty freezer just didn't suit me. Mathews Legacy Mathews Ovation Square Up Archery & Lightning Bowstrings Staff Shooter

Re: AR for or against [Re: HunterTed] #270082 12/07/07 11:41 AM
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Hoytman Extreme Tracker H Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,698 hopkins co	HunterTed im with you, I like being able to take a deer no what size he is. If i want meat i dont care how many points he has or how wide the spread is i just want venison and the time spent outdoors to get one. I would shoot a big 150 class buck if he came across the fence and be happy but i am also happy just getting a deer no matter what size! The thing i hate in hopkins co. is we went from 1 buck and 0 does in gun season to 2 bucks and 2 does and theres not enough deer in that co. to take that kind of pressure. But that is just my opinion. (Sig Pic to be no more than 125 pixels tall)

Re: AR for or against [Re: Hoytman] #270083 12/07/07 11:45 AM
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chestnut Tracker C Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 718 The Woodlands Township, Texas ...	I'm also with you, HunterTed. Fortunately, I'm not hunting where there are antler restrictions!

Re: AR for or against [Re: caldwelldeerhunter] #270084 12/07/07 02:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,408 Collin County P PKnTX THF Trophy Hunter
PKnTX THF Trophy Hunter P Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,408 Collin County	Quote: Quote: Quote: I like the rule because young bucks get time to mature and if I see an older buck that does not go past the ears I will tag it as my cull buck, I win both ways! You need to double check, in a AR county there is only 13" inside spread or wider, and a buck with at least one unbranched antler(spike)be legally taken. A 10 yr old forky with a 12" inside spread cant be shot. I know what the rules are but I am willing to take my chances trying to manage my lease, I will break off horns if I have to This right here is the reason antler restrictions and "trophy hunting" is a load of crap. I am in firm belief that this type of disregard for game animals IN THE NAME OF MANAGEMENT AND FOR NO OTHER PURPOSE THAN A PERSONAL EGO BOOST BY HANGING A DEAD ANIMAL ON THE WALL goes on more than anyone on this forum would ever know or maby admit. This type of manipulation of an animal to avoid possible prosecution is dispicable and obviously illegle. All for the purpose of TROPHY MANAGEMENT. I HATE this concept more every time I read about it. PK

Re: AR for or against [Re: caldwelldeerhunter] #270085 12/07/07 02:18 PM
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kyotee1 Extreme Tracker K Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,550	Quote: Quote: Quote: I like the rule because young bucks get time to mature and if I see an older buck that does not go past the ears I will tag it as my cull buck, I win both ways! You need to double check, in a AR county there is only 13" inside spread or wider, and a buck with at least one unbranched antler(spike)be legally taken. A 10 yr old forky with a 12" inside spread cant be shot. I know what the rules are but I am willing to take my chances trying to manage my lease, I will break off horns if I have to Are you above the law? Are you better than any of the other hunters out there trying to watch and make this work? Just what example are you setting for a new hunter or especially our youth when it comes to abiding by the rules and regulations set by the state? Hmmm...so why don't you go rob a convenient store or a bank since you're advocating stealing from all of the public in our state? Go figure...

Re: AR for or against [Re: kyotee1] #270086 12/07/07 02:21 PM
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kyotee1 Extreme Tracker K Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,550	PK - you are so right!!

Re: AR for or against [Re: kyotee1] #270087 12/07/07 02:31 PM
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PHishTX Pro Tracker P Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,220	Quote: ....Are you better than any of the other hunters out.... This can be applied towards the horn hunters and TPWD that push/favor this too. "Are they better than all the other hunters out" there who don't care about horns? Quote: Just what example are you setting for a new hunter or especially our youth when it comes to abiding by the rules and regulations set by the state? This reg is going to take care of the new/youth on its own. Due to the lack of "opportunity". New/youth numbers that might see his little horn breaking "examples" will pale in comparison the number of effected new/youth (in 61 counties) the are loosing "opportunity" and interest. ON EDIT: The example I'm setting for MY sons is to stand up for what you believe is right. And to speak out against unjust gov'mnt over-regulation. After I came back from attending the public comment meetings, my 14yr old asked if he could write a letter to TPWD, too. Last edited by PHishTX; 12/07/07 03:01 PM.

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