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 Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 01:34 PM
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Elkhunter49
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Hey folks I just watched a documentary on the reintroduction of wolves into yellowstone park. It was made by a young man from Montana and he does an excellent job of exposing the enviromentalist true agenda behind the wolves reintroduction. It's 1 hour long but it's worth the time to see what is really going on with some of these wacko groups in our country. If it's a repost I'm sorry as I missed it the first time. Baker http://www.cryingwolfmovie.com/
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Re: Crying Wolf
[Re: Elkhunter49]
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10/11/11 01:38 PM
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Putting this on my watch list for tonight
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 04:28 PM
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Very interesting, thanks.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 04:33 PM
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Re: Crying Wolf
[Re: Gravytrain]
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10/11/11 04:34 PM
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I've been to Yellowstone a couple of times and believe it is an amazing place. The wolves are sure interesting to watch. They helped clean up issues with sickness in the elk population in Yellowstone and have helped balanced out other things in the park.
Some crazy folks get all wacked out about enviro issues for sure.
However, I'm happy Yellowstone has wolves. Yes I know that's controversial with the surrounding ranchers. Ranchers should also have the right to shoot wolves on their property.
But should every predator in the USA be exterminated? Should wolves be made extinct?
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 06:57 PM
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Wolves absolutly have a place in the natural environment. When left uncontrolled they will quickly reduce natural prey and turn to other sources (cattle,sheep,horses...). If you watched this young mans film you would see what a devastating effect the wayyyyyyyyyy overpopulated wolf numbers in Yellowstone have had on Elk,Moose,Buffalo and domestic cattle numbers in Montana,Wyoming and Idaho.
When I began hunting Elk in the late 1970's the top elk hunt in North America was the migration hunt north of Yellowstone every December. It was common to see over a 1000 Elk a day from one vantage point. The state of Montana has now cancelled the hunt completely because of the low number of elk left in the park. It's really a shame that clueless environmentalist have the power to control something as complex as an eco-system like Yellowstone. The damage the current wolve populations have inflicted on the native herds will take years and years to reverse if the wolves were reduced to agreed upon numbers. The longer goverment officals let this nonsense go on the longer it will take to return Yellowstone to a proper pedator/prey balance. Sorry for any spelling and grammer errors as I'm in a hurry. Later Baker
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 07:11 PM
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 08:48 PM
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But should every predator in the USA be exterminated? Should wolves be made extinct?
Every wolf outside of yellowstone could be allowed to be shot on sight, I'd have no problem with it.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 08:53 PM
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Wolves absolutly have a place in the natural environment. When left uncontrolled they will quickly reduce natural prey and turn to other sources (cattle,sheep,horses...). If you watched this young mans film you would see what a devastating effect the wayyyyyyyyyy overpopulated wolf numbers in Yellowstone have had on Elk,Moose,Buffalo and domestic cattle numbers in Montana,Wyoming and Idaho.
When I began hunting Elk in the late 1970's the top elk hunt in North America was the migration hunt north of Yellowstone every December. It was common to see over a 1000 Elk a day from one vantage point. The state of Montana has now cancelled the hunt completely because of the low number of elk left in the park. It's really a shame that clueless environmentalist have the power to control something as complex as an eco-system like Yellowstone. The damage the current wolve populations have inflicted on the native herds will take years and years to reverse if the wolves were reduced to agreed upon numbers. The longer goverment officals let this nonsense go on the longer it will take to return Yellowstone to a proper pedator/prey balance. Sorry for any spelling and grammer errors as I'm in a hurry. Later Baker the elk populations in some areas of the park probably isn't 1/20th of what it used to be... winters are tough enough on the wildlife up there as it is..toss in wolves and several years of awful winters and it's a screw up waiting to happen.... not to mention they're already taking away from hunters via elk tag allotments for units around the park.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 09:21 PM
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Money talks.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 11:15 PM
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I thought this was done very well. Well I believe that a large predator, that predator has to be controlled. The states should be allowed to establish a regulated harvest so that the population is controlled. States get a new game animal and the ability to raise revenue. But if left unchecked, that top predator will decimate herd animals.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 11:42 PM
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Wyoming ranchers need wolves about like Texas ranches need coyotes. 
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/11/11 11:55 PM
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I need a wolf to mount for the schools mascot case. The old one developed bugs, mange sorta, and, well, technically he escaped back to the wild......
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 12:07 AM
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Wyoming ranchers need wolves about like Texas ranches need coyotes. Yellowstone used to have a lot of coyotes. The wolves changed that fairly quick.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 12:22 AM
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They're pretty much a useless overglorified canine. If folks want to go see one and hunt one they can.. That does not make them endangered, near extinction or anything special to cut into years of wildlife conservation efforts and mgmt of other species.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 02:31 AM
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wolves are a natural predator yes they may eat a few cows or sheep , but what about all the hay grain an grass that the elk deer an all that eat? wolves were there before man was let them go , if they start eating your stuff shoot them , but dont kill them all if you have a in unbalance in any of the wild life it will through it all out of wack , if texas had a few wolves we might not have so many dang hogs
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 02:39 AM
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Glorified coyotes. They were killed off for reasons that still exist.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 02:48 AM
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wolves are a natural predator yes they may eat a few cows or sheep , but what about all the hay grain an grass that the elk deer an all that eat? wolves were there before man was let them go , if they start eating your stuff shoot them , but dont kill them all if you have a in unbalance in any of the wild life it will through it all out of wack , if texas had a few wolves we might not have so many dang hogs Dont go crazy with this but the red wolf is alive and well in Texas. Ask around. I caught a glimpse of one north of Lake o the Pines about 5 years ago. Very distinct different appearance that a coyote.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 03:16 AM
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wolves are a natural predator yes they may eat a few cows or sheep , but what about all the hay grain an grass that the elk deer an all that eat? wolves were there before man was let them go , if they start eating your stuff shoot them , but dont kill them all if you have a in unbalance in any of the wild life it will through it all out of wack , if texas had a few wolves we might not have so many dang hogs Dont go crazy with this but the red wolf is alive and well in Texas. Ask around. I caught a glimpse of one north of Lake o the Pines about 5 years ago. Very distinct different appearance that a coyote. i belive i have seen a few , but didnt get a complet look to be 100% sure
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 03:26 AM
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I was within 20 yards of him. He saw me and hit the afterburners. Bout the size of a big German shepherd. 75-85 pounds. Rusty colored. Cool encounter
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 04:59 AM
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it is silly that man manages the elk, deer, etc. populations (the wolf's prey), but is not allowed to manage the wolf population. i think it's cool they are there, but should not be left unmanaged.
also, i never understand that environmentalists don't get that if an animal is able to be hunted, it is worth money. Therefore it will lead to optimum management practices, plus the species would never go extinct.
Situation's changed Jules...
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 12:05 PM
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wolves are a natural predator yes they may eat a few cows or sheep , but what about all the hay grain an grass that the elk deer an all that eat? wolves were there before man was let them go , if they start eating your stuff shoot them , but dont kill them all if you have a in unbalance in any of the wild life it will through it all out of wack , if texas had a few wolves we might not have so many dang hogs Given all the livestock in Texas do you really believe that if we had even a small population of wolves here that they would be eating hogs? The problem with just shoot them when they "eat your stuff" is the federal goverment will not allow it. Idaho has finally allowed a very few resident hunters to take wolves but the number of tags are not enough to even put a dent in the overpopulation problem. Everything the goverment touches turns to $&^#. Later Baker
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 02:24 PM
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What is really odd about the Endangered Specie Act regarding wolves, they were not endanagered in Canada! Also is odd that wolves don't see those boundary lines when they travel! This is an interesting link: http://www.saveelk.com/index.html
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 08:41 PM
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I saw red wolves in Lake Pat Cleburne park in the '70's. I have a wolf pelt of what is most likely a Mex Gray wolf shot in the '20's in western Oklahoma. Very bad tanning work and the hair flows from it when moved slightly.
I like and believe wolves have a "place" in or near the Rockies. I don't like and don't believe ranchers should have to suffer losses because of them. When they are found outside Yellowstone or any other park/govt land, they should be fair game. I need a fresh well tanned pelt.
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Re: Crying Wolf
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10/12/11 09:22 PM
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Great video, very well supported and well put together. I completely agree with everything said. Makes me want to head up to Montana and help some of the ranchers out by  some wolves!!!
Last edited by tx outlaw; 10/12/11 09:24 PM.
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