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Climax............................. #260768 11/25/07 09:54 PM
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If this offends you or you are ashamed, you are most defitnatley on the wrong Forum. This is hunting, and is the reality of the shot. I have heard there is much heated debate about these videos. Reality is, we are hunters. As such comes the harvest and the death of an animal. Please try not to get this sidewined and locked. PETA and others are already against us, don't give em more fire power. Decide for yourself, as I hope you have before this, since you are a hunter. It takes a bit to download and only gives you a few samples.

http://www.climaxofthehunt.com/videos/climaxpreview.rm



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Re: Climax............................. [Re: 7mag] #260769 11/25/07 10:31 PM
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What are we supposed to be seeing Roy?

Maybe it is because we have dial-up, but all I got was a page of advertisements.

I will try it again and see if something else comes up.


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It is a snipet of kill shots. I have DSL, and it loads quickly, and goes right to the video, on realplayer. No adds and such



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Re: Climax............................. [Re: 7mag] #260771 11/25/07 10:40 PM
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Okay, that is the problem, I just keep getting the ad page or whatever for www.real.com

I will wait to make any comments on the subject till after some other folks make theirs.

I guess I have been in on the deaths of so many animals over the years, that the actual dying part is something I have learned to accept without really thinking about it, or if I do think about it, it is from the standpoint that I have already started the process by pulling the trigger, I need to see that it is over as quickly as possible. JMO.


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You are correct in saying if it offends someone they are on the wrong forum. Hunting involes the death of an animal, hopefully, and as CHC says as quickly as possible. My children are grown, but I would have not thought twice about them seeing it. This is the purpose of a weapon. I DO know people who will/would be offended and yet they will let their pre teen's watch the goriest horror flics with no regard at all. I enjoyed the video....Thanks!


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You are correct in saying if it offends someone they are on the wrong forum. Hunting involes the death of an animal, hopefully, and as CHC says as quickly as possible. My children are grown, but I would have not thought twice about them seeing it. This is the purpose of a weapon. I DO know people who will/would be offended and yet they will let their pre teen's watch the goriest horror flics with no regard at all. I enjoyed the video....Thanks!




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Re: Climax............................. [Re: Crazyhorse] #260774 11/25/07 10:59 PM
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Roy, I just dont know about posting videos like that. It gives antis alot of ammo to use especially that last clip where it took 3 shots to bring that buck down. There was a lot of good footage of bow shots that will give a novice a look at what happens when you release an arrow. Which in my opinion is a good thing.


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This is straying a little off topic but here goes. Most people that belong to PETA are ignorant as to what hunting really involves. As a freshman at Texas Tech I met a girl from the DFW area. We were lab partners in a physics class and did the study group etc etc and became friends. She was VERY involved in PETA. Her philosophy was "NO REASON TO KILL AN ANIMAL EVER". I tried to argue my point but eventually we agreed to disagree. She wasn't going to be able to go home for spring break so I invited her home to the ranch with me. Second night we were at my home Dad said the dogs were raising cain and was gonna go check since he had cows calving, asked if we wanted to tag along so we did. We found a cow down in labor with a pack of coyotes after her. I grabbed the spotlight to hold for Dad and he grabbed the gun.....She was the first one hollering "Shoot'em Shoot'em".... She doesn't belong to PETA anymore....


Re: Climax............................. [Re: SaginawHunter] #260776 11/25/07 11:23 PM
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Roy, I just dont know about posting videos like that. It gives antis alot of ammo to use especially that last clip where it took 3 shots to bring that buck down. There was a lot of good footage of bow shots that will give a novice a look at what happens when you release an arrow. Which in my opinion is a good thing.




Thats just it Ken, they the antis already have enough ammo. I beleive that is why 99.9% of all hunting shows cut the kill part. Its the nature of the beast as to say. It isn't if they use it, it's when they use it against us. Videos like this are excellent for anyone. Reality sets in, and that is why all precautions must be taken, for a humane kill. This video shows actual humane kills. It also shows some shots that maybe werent the best. I have been in both places, but that is why it is called hunting. I firmly beleive we as hunters don't go out to just wound animals, at least I don't. But yeah I have made some bad shots. I don't call this suffering, I call it an ending.



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Very good point Roy! I have no problem what so ever with watching a video of a hunt including the ending but do you really think its in good taste to put a video together of nothing but the kill shots? Like I said that video gave me some real good shots of what an animal may do when an arrow is released.


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Would you rather there be video of your Ram hunt on there?



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Would you rather there be video of your Ram hunt on there?




I wasn't going to go there



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Re: Climax............................. [Re: 7mag] #260781 11/26/07 12:00 AM
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Its like you said Roy we all make a bad shot sometimes and its called ending it with the follow up.


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Its like you said Roy we all make a bad shot sometimes and its called ending it with the follow up.




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Truest statement I have seen you make in a while there buddy. I have to get out that way soon so we can take Stevens bi-pod out to eat some good meskin food with us


Re: Climax............................. [Re: 7mag] #260784 11/26/07 01:14 AM
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I am gonna say a few things here, some of them may make sense, some of them might not, especially for those that have not had some of the experiences others of us have.

When I was on the Musk-Ox hunt in Nunavut, the day I shot my Ox, the Inuit guides, semed to be some what troubled by the fact, that after I made my first shot, I did not immediately shoot again.

I just kept sitting there. The bull was humped up, clearly hurt and hurt bad.

It was a 120 yard shot at the most, and I was rested solid. I put the first shot about mid-body, top to bottom and right behind the right shoulder.

The bull tottered around for about a minute, maybe two, and finally got turned all the way around, and I put a second shot in basically the same place on his left side.

The bull took one full step at the second hit, then stumbled and went down.

By the time we had walked to him he was dead.

Now the first hunting day in camp, the gentleman I was partnered up with made a bad shot on his bull and 1 and a half miles and 11 shots later, the bull finally died.

If I remember right he hit that bull either 6 or 7 times out of those 11 shots.

Were both bulls dead, yes. Do I/Did I feel that my bull died a better and more dignified death, yes I do.

He had been hurt and hurt bad with the first shot, the second shot was just to get things over with.

Now, with that said, while I don't really agree with the methods Nugent sometimes uses to get his point across, one thing I do believe he said, was that if everyone in America had to kill a chicken by their own hands each year, everyone would have a different impression of hunting and life.

I can't remember if that is just exactly what he said or how he said it, but I do know that people with a farming or ranching background somewhere in their genes where the births/lifes/ and deaths of the animals that the family depended upon were/are an everyday situation, they have less trouble with the concept of death brought about by a reason other than soley for an economic reason.

One thing I do see, that does bother me, is I have a lot of folks that when they shoot a jackrabbit, even though that rabbit is deader than a door nail, those folks will shoot again or stomp on its head, it is like they have a problem with the animal still moving and they don't or can't realize that it is all involuntary muscle movements.

Maybe everyone should have to wring a chickens neck and watch the "Chicken Dance" every few months so they would better understand the whole system. AJMO.


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ofthehunt.com

If this offends you or you are ashamed, you are most defitnatley on the wrong Forum. This is hunting, and is the reality of the shot. I have heard there is much heated debate about these videos. Reality is, we are hunters. As such comes the harvest and the death of an animal. Please try not to get this sidewined and locked. PETA and others are already against us, don't give em more fire power. Decide for yourself, as I hope you have before this, since you are a hunter. It takes a bit to download and only gives you a few samples.

http://www.climaxofthehunt.com/videos/climaxpreview.rm




That link ain't working for me..



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Good post CHC



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I would have thought this topic would have brought out a few more comments from folks.

I was unable to get the link to work, but I have an idea of what the video was like.

How many of you remember the documentary that was on several years back called "The Guns Of Autumn".

That show was of the same ilk, and that was slightly before PETA got to really rolling. It was presented on the CBS network.

What are your thoughts when you see that light go out?

How can the anticipation and preparation for the hunt, and the celebration if the hunt is successful, be seperated from the actual act of causing the death of another species.

Can it be seperated or should it be seperated?

In my case, and I have mentioned this on here before, I have become cold blooded in the matter of delivering death.

Over the yeras some of the bigger animals caused me to have a few moments of thought and reflection on what I had been part of.

I am not a very religious person, so the God I believe in may not be the same one the rest of you folks do.

The God I believe in allowed me to be in that particular place, at that particular moment in time and provided me with the animal that was chosen for me to kill, and the means to do so, and my God wants me to do so as quickly and humanely as possible, and my God provides me with the ability to realize that the death of that animal was meant to take place at that time, under the conditions at hand, and was to be carried out by me.

Then after that death and a moment of Thanks and Praise for being given such a gift, to move along with my life until the next time I go out.

Trying to convey those feelings and concepts to a non-hunter is extremely difficult.

Again, I have not seen the video, but, everyone that has or can needs to look at it and decide at what point in those death scenes, does the death of the animal and the manner it is brought about begin to offend your concepts of killing an animal, and then think how this type of video would affect people that do not hunt, but are not anti-hunting. jmo.


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I cant believe the mods haven't locked a thread with the words Climax and choking a chicken in it


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Here is my .02 i like the video. Heck i wish i was the trigger man. However scene after scene of animal death is fuel for the anti hunting/gun crowd.




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I would have thought this topic would have brought out a few more comments from folks.



The link finally pulled up for me...

Nowadays I do resepect the life of animals more than I once did due mostly to the fact that I know what hunting them represent to me...not to the sport or art of hunting. Even though I still hold hunting in high regard, the act of participating in it has changed for me.

I have been hunting all my life in one way or the other, so it's not the death of animals that bother me one bit; it's how the living animals have made me appreciate the concept of hunting them - if that makes sense.

When I get an animal in my crosshairs, I think of how fortunate I am to be able to hunt; how thankful I am that the animal has presented itself; and how proud I am of myself for doing the work (or pleasure) right.

Most of those shots on the video I've experienced in one way or the other. There's nothing "bad" or "inhumane" in any of them. That last clip is just a matter of opinion for the hunter.
(1) He/she could have been unsure of the shot, or
(2) They wanted to end it quickly.
Either way it was their choice, not mine, and I don't disagree with it.

Before I take the shot I already expect to see trauma in some fashion. If the conditions are right and things fall into place I expect to see the animal DRT. If just one thing goes awry, then any scenario can happen. I am sure that if I keep hunting I will see different ways of an animal going down. And it's always in the back of my mind, due to past mistakes, that I can see one go unscathed. I can't guarantee each shot will be perfect, but I can expect the unexpected, and that's why I still have "The Thrill of the Hunt".

JMHO.


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Is it possible that you and Maggie need to take a break from running those doe hunts?


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My first deer was a spike. I shot him with an SKS that went a little high and broke his spine. The deer was down but still alive. I finnished him with my trusty buck knife. As he bled out I put my hand on his chest and thanked GOD for sending me the deer and for the meat we would have in our freezer. The thrill of the hunt was in the miles I had walked and the deer I did not shoot before I took the spike. Now I get the same exitement when my kids get their deer. My 15 year old got his first deer this year with an SKS one shot one kill. So far we have been fortunate that we have not had a bad kill.


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