Yep, I have converted a few after being converted myself by seeing the results myself

I got a nice supply of the original Barnes X's for my 300 and 270. When it takes one per animal, I got enough to last the rest of my days.

why did they replace the original

They made the best, even better.

oh i thought because they werent reliably expanding

thanks for proving our point.........

theyre definately not a long range bullet

Really have you ever shot just one


Let me answer for you... Hell no!


So you are talking from reading your googled info again, until you try them you are running your head about something you have zero experience with, would be like me telling an AR guy how to build his AR

dont even want to try them pos's.

I like expanding boolits

The ROSSI youth guns are very light and have short barrels which cause for more felt recoil. I have a Rossi .243 I use and it feels like my 12 gauge when I fire it. (ITs my truck gun) I would reccomend a .243 in your situation. .243 is very mild and there are alot of options in ammo to suit your son or your game that you are hunting. Also it will be something that he can rely on as far as forgiveness. The .223 (while effective) doesnt have the knockdown that the .243 has. Some rounds of .243 still have over 1000 lbs. of energy reaching 300 yards. All Im saying is the .243 winchester performs for hunters a heck of a lot better and the recoil difference is minumum. Losing a deer is 10000000 times demoralizing than a slight more kick when the gun goes off. A weatherby vangaurd ( even in carbine) or a remington 700 ADL are both very good and accurate rifles that your son can grow up using and are very affordable. Especially on this site you could probably pick up a perfectly good used rifle from the members here.

Take it or leave it. I just think it is a safe investment to suit both your immediate needs for your son AND as he gets older.

Then like I said you don't know a damn thing about em

No reason for us to even discuss it any further cause you just admitted to talking out of your arse!

Not a big fan of running copper solids down the barrel of high $ rifles, cleaning them is a real pain. Barnes makes good stuff so does Nosler, Berger, ect. for me a toughest bullet is Swift A-frame, however they don't make anything below 6.5. But lets remember we're talking about Texas Whitetails not northern Alberta. Some of you need might read PO Ackleys' book. and learn about shock ect. .223 is what all three of my boys and countless of our clients started out killing deer and 100's of hogs with. Over the past 15 years of hunting with clients I have only seen two deer lost. One .243 shooting Nosler BT, and one 7mmRm Shooting Barnes X. Trailed these animals most of night, and the next day, I guess it keeps comming back to shot placement... hmmmmmm

I am running TSX down lilja barrels with zero troubles!

Ive never had one problem with the TSX and ive actually killed animals with them so im with BMD...they leave massive blood trails and ive never lost an animal when i shoot them!

well in 40 years ive never had a problem with any boolit ive used, none were a tsx. So whats the fix.
I guess barrels dont foul enough, accuracy doesnt suck enough, and ammo doesnt cost enough.
Great alternative, not !

Dude your continued Ignorance and willingness to talk about a product you have admittedly never used just shows that you are truly a

Just like you talking bout copper fouling how would u know????,,


It is a non issue and I do know as have shot TSX and TTSX
So please continue to show your ignorance and google knowledge

To me the tsx and other premium lines of bullets like a-frames partitions and bonded bullets offer a guaranteed performance if you will.

Yes maybe your standard cup and core bullet will do the trick say 90% of the time, but they do have issues. I hav shot deer at 60 yards behind the shoulder with a 150 grain hornady interlock that blew up did not exit didnt leave a blood trail, and I didnt hit a shoulder. I cant explain it, but if the deer would have gone further than the 30 yards it did I probably would never have found it. I have never seen a partition or tsx fail like this.

I agree though they are not long range bullets, droped velocity equates to poor expansion with them, but I wont pretend I shoot a country mile like many do, I have only kild a handful of animals past 100 yards, 1 past 200 yards and it was a hog killed with a borrowed 222 and a balitic tip.

All products made by humans, can and will fail. Fortunately, the failure rate on modern bullets, premium or conventional, is very very low. It is low enough that I doubt any individual hunter will ever use a given bullet enough to have a statistically valid sample. And what normally happens, is, if we have a failure with a given bullet, we stop using it, so that getting a statistically valid sample never happens.

IMO, the TSx/TTSX type bullets have their place. They allow a hunter to use a cartridge with would normally be considered light for a given purpose. Examples would be a 22-250 for deer or a 270 for elk. Or if you have a cartridge which has a high MV, the TTSX allows you to use it with confidence without destroying a lot of meat or risking bullet blowup and poor penetration.

But for the typical deer hunter in Texas shooting cartridges with a MV of say, 3000fps or less ( 270, 280, 7x57, '06, 308, 7-08, etc), I see no real advantage in super bullets.

As long as one uses a bullet within its design parameters, there are lots of ways to success. Deer ain't hard to kill. YMMV

Well just to throw a rench in your theory I have been shooting the 150 interlokcs for a while now, I loaded 100 of them and decided I wouldnt stop using them until they were gone.. I have a little over 50 left, and they have dont things I didnt like multiple times. They have never failed to kill my deer/hogs but most of the time on a body shot they wont exit, behind not in the shoulder and the next time they will look like a bomb went off on the exit side. The only thing I have good to say abou thtem is they shoot good in my rifle.

matt

Matt: Just curious. Are these 150's 30 cal or 270? What are you shooting them out of? thanks

They are 270 150 grain hornady interlocks, shooting them out of a remington 700 sendero.

And to qualify I have had them not exit several times when shot behind the shoulder, they have never exited when you hit a shoulder. These shots are all around 90 to 100 yards.

Just for fun I loaded some 220 grain 30 cal interlock round nose for my 300 wby, and the performance is worse with them. I have shot several hogs with that load that never exit, they blow up nearly on contact. I was told int eh 300 wby that this is because the 220's were designed with the 30-06 in mind and were intended for use with muzzle velocities of 2300 feet per second, not the faster speeds the magnum threw them at.

matt

thanks, Matt. That is quite interesting, but curious. Guess all I can say is that it's very different from my experience with 150gr Hornady's in a 270. I have always gotten great performance from them on deer. And I have a friend in Europe who is a professional hunter, and that combo is all he uses. In his experience, they perform equal to partitions. He also used them in Africa on numerous elk-sized animals. Who knows?

Who knows, maybe it was just a bad lot or something. I loaded the 153 or 154 grain ones in my dads 280 and was pretty happy with them, thats why I switched to them, they sure are cheaper than partitions, but they just didnt behave the same in the 270.

7mag and protien! just kidding. Good luck on your hunt.