Well when he said it I though he might be joking or trying to brake the ice, some people have weird sense of humor. You know how everybody joke in the Chevy Vs Ford or Remington vs Savage. So I laughed, they didn't.

On the suppressor thing, a good half of everybody I have sold to or know with one has been harassed to an extent some a-lot worse than what happened to me. It's again ignorance. There is a thread over on SilencerTalk that three pages of horror stories from shooting at public ranges with class III stuff.

I heard of someone renting a pistol at a range, taking a couple shots then shooting themselves in the head. Wasn't that around San Antonio a year or two ago? That's about the worse story I could imagine.

Personally, the only bad thing that happened to me at the range was the death of my old .308's barrel. I've told the story a couple of times on here, but basically, I was shooting Hornady factory ammo out of an all-weather m77 (boat paddle) and I had a funny sounding shot and it didn't hit the target and my buddy saw no splash. I just thought I musta somehow pulled it way high or something so I chambered the next round and when I sent it by barrel exploded out the right side just up from the chamber. Turns out I figured that Hornady messed up and either didnt put enough powder in it or no powder at all, because the "odd sounding" shot's round never left the barrel. @nd bullet coming up it's rear overpressurized the barrel and BOOM. Luckily my buddy was spotting from the otherside of the discharge or it coulda been allot worse than it was. Ruger replaced the rifle under warranty.

3 gang banger types complete with "colors" and a$$es hangin out walking across the parking lot at Alpine with an AK that has a loaded mag in battery. Or when I'm down range hangin a target after the range is cold, turn to see two or three guys behind their rifles making scope adjustments.


Chupa

Same here if I'm sighting a Ar it gets treated just like a bolt gun 1rd per 2-3 second.

On the note of the 5.11,
I have a whole wardrobe of the stuff literally 2-3 of everything they make, 20-50 gun manufacture T's polo's.

I only wear that stuff at Work, or Range Demo's, because its my Uniform so to speak. I don't go parading around town from head to toe in the crap, in fact I will go home and change then come back to town to run errands before going out in it.

"Squib"




Chupa

I have two 5.11 polos and a pair of 5.11 pants. the polos are just that. The pants are my range/match/get dirty pants. They are pretty basic though. Just cargo pants. I don't care if I get gun oil or suppressor blow back stuff all over them. DFW had it %50 off.

That's a horrible experience! The worst experience I ever had was at ASC here in Houston. The RO's there were complete A-holes to me!!! I was shooting my GSG-5 PK on the range and had just finished off my last mag--I took out the magazine, locked the cocking handle back with the bolt open and had the safety on. This A-hole comes over and starts yelling at me that I'm going to shoot my foot off because I had it slung at my side pointing down at the ground. I showed him that the cocking handle was locked back, safety on, no mag, and he still chewed me out until I put it on the table. He then walked over to his buddy and started badmouthing me--that I was some dumb kid (I was 21 at the time) who was going to shoot his foot off and who acted like HE didn't know what he was doing (I wonder why?)...

That same day, I was shooting my AR10 and they called for everyone to go check their targets, so again, I take out the mag and clear the chamber, put the safety on, and what do you know, my bolt catch doesn't work so I can't lock the bolt back, so I figure it is fine. OHHHHH no, here comes another RO and this one chews me out about having the bolt closed, so I show him it is clear and that the bolt won't lock back. After he monkied with it for a while and got frustrated, he said I had to case my rifle every time they called for everyone to check targets...

This is the mild version of that day. I will NEVER shoot at american shooting centers again until hell freezes over and I've talked to several friends who've shot there, had similar experiences, and agree. What's so freakin ironic is that they thought my GSG5 wasn't safe pointing downwards, but they think it's any more safe pointing downrange in the safe condition when we're checking targets?

Maybe I just ran into a couple of bad ones, and I realize that the individuals don't necessarily represent the range (but I still seriously suggest they select their RO's better) but from hearing similar things from friends of mine, it seems this is not an isolated case.

Is it just me, or were these RO's seriously out of line?

I have silencer envy might have to get a ar just to put a silencer on it. Usually when I'm at the range people don't talk to me

Col. Whelen said "Only accurate rifles are interesting". If you are there to just do "Mag Dumps".....then there is nothing interesting about you. Aim small, miss small.............




Chupa

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Do it they are a blast. Every time I slap mine on, people wanna check it out.

Yes and no. I don't expect every RO to be an expert on the function of all firearms. I do expect them to do every thing in their power to make the range as safe as they possibly can. I don't however understand the muzzle pointing down thing. If he didn't understand how the bolt latch worked, he should have just said "Oh, ok. Can you do me a favor and just put it in the case until they get back?" Probably would have saved some friction between you and him and made for a more pleasant experience.


Chupa

Dang it, just drooled on my keyboard!!

I live about 5 minutes from ASC so I go there all the time for convience. That first guy was certainly an unreasonable prick and fully admit that they do have those types of guys there. I would be willing to bet I even know which one it is. But in their defense, that range does happen to be full of morons. So I think his unfair overraeaction to you was probably based on previous experience.

As for the second guy, next time your gun has that issue, the easiest thing to do that gives others a sense of comfort about the situation is stick and empty shell case sticking out of the ejection port that shows the bolt is NOT in its closed position. A lot of shotgun guys do this with their guns that won't lock open.

Where's it at on ST? I've got some time to kill.

Weapons have to be locked open if I am the RSO, but I can tell you with more tact than those guys... A pencil works well for locking open the action too. Or find one of the plastic devices from a new gun designed for it.

We see that a lot with mak/tok type handguns, Walthers, etc.

Silver, I've experienced much of the same there, but most of it was years ago. Last several times I have gone most of the bad ones were gone and many of the newer ones at least tried to treat people with respect.

hood rat in my CHL class there tried to shoot with the gun sideways during the shooting test, then after instructed by the teacher he proceeded to put his other hand behide the slide of his chrome plated .45 and tear his hand wide-open when he let one fly. he was asked to leave by the teacher

I just still won't go back there, they've lost my business. The way they disrespected me was just disgusting. I'm sure the owner's a good guy, but he needs to keep a finer screen on who he hires or he's going to lose more business.

Shiloh is good on pricing, except when I want to shoot several guns. The RO's are all kids, but always treat me with respect and oogle at my weapons. I just don't like that we can't retrieve our own targets since I like to fire off some rounds and then tape my targets.

ASC--well the RO's are the main thing, I also don't like being charged per weapon.

Gunsmoke in College Station--the range is nice and clean and I can get my targets; they leave you alone within reason, but the pricing by hour SUCKS! I like to take my time, not just mag dump. So I sometimes take a while--last time I lost track of time and ended up paying $35--RIDICULOUS!

Arrowhead in College Station was EXCELLENT--it's run down, but the guy would let you do your thing--$10 for the whole day for unlimited guns, and you could get your targets on your own time--too bad the rifle range is still closed down because of that lawsuit though....hence why I went to gunsmoke last time...

Champions in College Station is excellent for pistol--also $10

We really should do a review of all the gun ranges the members of this forum use--and list their pros and cons. It may help some people out to find a range that suits them.

That is sure a lot to put on two old guys, in cargo pants that like to buy American. I don't even know where to start. You didn't mention that those are the type of Americans that laid there life on the line and saw buddies die in Korea and Vietman, pay their taxes, vote every election day, are proud of American products and support American workers by buying them, they don't travel all over the world, probably haven't ever left East Texas except to serve their government.

You are right about one thing, there is some racial profiling going on here but you might want to look closer to home to see where it is coming from, like maybe in the mirror.

The error here is that none of what you say about these individuals is known to be true. What is "known" is that they were ignorant as to the law and were harrassing a law abiding citizen. If they were ex-military as you "hypothesize" then there is an even higher likely hood of them knowing the law on owning classIII weaponry.

All that being said, if they were ex-military, then I would be the first one to shake their hand and say "thank you for your service". But it doesn't change the fact that on this issue they were ignorant.


Chupa

I joined a PRIVATE range for some of the same reasons listed above. LAST time I went to public range(in the town I live in) Working up loads for my 10mm Glock, some guy next to me was raining 9mm brass (MP5)into my shooting bag and me, went into the RO's office, he informed me that guy is law enforcement, just move over until he was done. I'm NOT going to say what dept. he was with.

funny you say that cogburn most of the ex military guys i know make fun of tacticool crap like the op mentioned. Remember there are probably more vietnam vets that never served than those who actually put their lives on the line.

Seems like the only "tacticool crap" the OP mentioned was his own, Steyr .308, suppressed pistol. There are also more than 58,000 on the Vietnam Wall that gave their all, neither of which is relative to this discussion.

I'm the OP, and you quoted KoreanRedneck and chewed him out. I called them ignorant because they where, you quoted everything in KoreanRedneck response to which never came out of my mouth sir.

My suppressed pistol is For Work Demo's

My Steyr .308 is a freaking Deer Rifle nothing tacticool about it.