dude i roll my own, got a purdy good idea whats for what. the 80gr bt says varmint on da box.... duh....

Then why are we talking about a 165gr projectile?


Chupa

cause some one keeps saying NBT,s are varmint booolits
some are and some arent like youve pointed out.

not recomending this OK ?
But my buddy dropped 3 elk with a 55 gr bt out of a 243, thats right around 4k fps, seen it pencil in and out of a six pointer as well.
I never ever seen anything splash on a shoulder or the skin with no penetration, not even varmint boolits

I agree,

If you have the funds I would buy him a good rifle, like a remington 700 since you can find the youth stocks for sale for $50ish dollars.

Now I would buy this rifle in .308, 30-06 or .270win...

Yes thats right get a good all around caliber and simply use the REDUCED RECOIL AMMO!

That way when he grows all you have to do is stick the full size stock back on the rifle and you are good to go.

As stated by others some ranches have minimum caliber requirments and I think thats a good thing, after all if you wound an animal you still have to pay for it.

That's a piglet shoot a hog and in the pad and wAtch it pop!

Ok, once again. The NBT "Varmint" is a very stout "Varmint" projectile. You won't (on average) see the violent fragmentation that you would typically see with say a V-Max or SBK of comperable length and caliber. I actually think that the NBT 'varmint" falls somewhere in between a "varmint" and "controlled expansion" projectile.



Chupa

I have personally seen these bullets fail with my own eyes, and out of a .300win 180gr. of all things!

1. Cousin shot a HUGE body deer in the face because it was the only shot he had, it dropped dead GREAT HUH? but the entrance wound was just below the left eyeball and the bullet DID NOT PENETRATE THE SKULL! You would think it would blow the head open like a canalope but there was only the entrance wound and NOTHING ELSE. Alls well that ends well but what if he had shoulder shot this buck and the bullet never penetrated the shoulder blade or rib.

2. Another hunter using my cousins rifle shot a 10point at 80yds broadside in the shoulder with me in the blind sitting next to him, he pulled the trigger and all I saw was an explosion of hair knocking him off his feet. This buck stood up and hit the treeline FAST with what appeared to be a broken leg and alot of energy...10 men doing a zig zag patern over a quarter mile area only produced hair and a chunk of bloody skin!

But back to the kids

If you are going with a .243 I have personally seen GREAT results with

1. Winchester PowerMax hollowpoints- 155yd shot and it dropped(180lbs buck) with a good exit wound...and there only $21 a box at academy

2. Barnes TSX - 80yds and buck ran 40yds leaving a fire hose blood trail

what part ? do you think is bs

And forgot to mention that I HAVE seen many many "splash wounds" in my life. I only hunt coyotes and hogs any more, and 10/1 coyotes to hogs. When hunting coyotes I tend to use "Varmint" type projectiles and have seen many splashes. Stopped using the SBK in 5.56mm for that very reason and now use a V-Max, still happens from time to time if the angle is wrong.


Chupa

I shoot alot of Nosler Ballistic Tips in the bigger calibers. Never had one come apart on me.

Here is a Nosler Ballistic Tip I recovered from the second heaviest buck I have ever killed. Shot was right at 225 yards quartering away. I aimed a little far back and the bullet drove up through the vitals through the opposite shoulder and lodged just under the skin on the opposite side. Probably penetrated every bit of 25".

U will and most likely at worst possible time.

Yep, Murphy's law is a B*&%$

After seeing the balistic silver tips fail, and my personal lowest moment in hunting ....Loosing the biggest buck I have ever shot using a 130gr Sierra game king from a .270

I switched to nosler accubonds 140gr in .270 and

Barnes TSX in .257wby heres one I recovered that dropped a Hog at 100ish yard and then continued through and took out another one ...2 hogs drop dead 100gr TSX recovered from the skin on the second hog 93% weight retention.

I will keep taking my chances I guess. 10 years and counting and so far so good.

Only bullet that has ever failed on me is a 175 grain Core Loct from a 7 Rem Mag. Talk about a splash wound.......poor guys at the processor couldnt even hang the deer by the neck it was so bad!

what I find funny is people lose a deer and then say the boolit failed. How would you know that.

I think alot of people bashing the BT's just dont know where the vitals are.

On edit: Guess I better add this little guy( ) before someone declairs war on me!

This reminded me of some other bullet failures i've had. The strangest one was 3 consecutive shots on a coyote at 80yds with a 55gr V-Max. All 3 were pencil thru's. I would hit her, she'd go down and get back up, and hit her again. Third shot she stayed down. Walked over to her and she was still alive. Shot her in the head at PBR. The 3 shots were grouped with in an inch of each other and one hit the scapula. All three had caliber size entries and exits.

Dang'dest thing I ever saw.



Chupa

In my case the deer droped in its tracks with a wound the size of a small watermelon in its neck. I had to walk up and put another one in the vitals to acutally kill the poor thing.

Also seen a feller up in Tennessee that shot a pretty impressive buck through about an 8"-10" tree with a .444M. Hit it in the neck. There was about a 1"-2" piece of meat along the spine and along the throat area holding on the head. Ol'Boy was sure upset that he had ruined it for a shoulder mount. Reading your story made me giggle a bit remembering that.


Chupa

bullet hit the shoulder deer dropped and pushed with its legs to the tree line, blood trail for 200yds and fell by the road...2 okies load it up and leave me empty beer cans and a drag line to the road.

same load of bullets a week later and had similar experience, only the deer fell into a creek and drowned with a broken front leg. Deer recovered and FULL postmortem exam showed shattered shoulder blade and copper fragments a few fragments did make it to the lungs...which were filled with water meaning she was still breathing when she hit the creek.

You think?

I haven't lost one cause I shoot quality bullets

And not hard to see blood with quality optics.