I have no problem with High fences that are open tracts over 200 acres , my complaint is the ranch we hunted next too for 10years in hill country that has 20 acre tracts high fenced and would bring in tagged deer for people to pay XXXXXX amount to shoot.

a lot of that is chain link stuck to the side of mountains to prevent rock slides

You are wrong Rifleman. They actually are doing HF down the highways now to keep deer from being able to cross over. I have been fly fishing in Aspen this whole week and see it every day going down the high way.

On rare occasion and days that end in Y

On rare occasion and days that end in Y

I would. It's not like a white tail deer have a range of 10,000 acres anyways.

You would give bobo a hard time

txshntr that was very well said.

It'll be on like donkey kong in a month or so when he's hoping to get drawn.

X2

Nope, but it's not like all those deer live in the middle of 10k acres and never try to travel further. I hunt on a 10k ranch (only lease 6500 plus 1200 bordering), but I can assure you there are plenty of deer that come and go from that ranch. It is not unusual to see the same buck on cameras that are 3-5 miles apart. 3 is actually pretty normal on our place. On the same note, there is no doubt that there are deer on our ranch that have never seen our borders.

I have no issue with any legal hunting method. It isn't for everyone, but the people that get so defensive about HF should take a step back and look at what the perception of HF operations are. Pictures of 50 bucks, all over 200", in a pen that is about 25 acres, is not going to make most people think "man, that looks like tough hunting." When you walk into the lodge and there are 30 deer mounted on the wall with horns going everywhere, they are not going to think "man, I bet they had to hunt their butts off for those." Many of the shows on TV don't help the cause when they "stalk" a 190" whitetail with a bow and there are 2 cameramen, the hunter, the guide, an the hunters wife. There are not many LF operations that will call you and say "hey, there is a 220" deer coming in regular. Come on up and you can shoot him tomorrow." There also aren't many LF operations that can guarantee a 160" or better in a 3 day hunt. When the average hunter sees a price tag that goes on some of these deer, it is going to turn them away. How many people do you know that hate a car (Escalade is a good example), just because of the price?

I realize that not every HF operation is ran the same way and most probably don't fall under any of the categories that I listed above, with the exception that ALL restrict deer movement. You add any of the factors listed above, on top of breeding programs, high supplementation of feed, importing of specific genetic traits and reports of someone growing a 300"+ deer that is worth over 1 million dollars...pretty sure there are people that are going to say there is no comparison between HF and LF. Many of these reasons is why B&C and P&Y say they dont compare.

I don't think that taking a deer off a HF place makes that deer any less of a trophy for that person. The argument can expand into rifle vs. bow (which is why there is a B&C and a P&Y), or feeder vs stalking, or any other method that might be a little more challenging. There is a reason other people are more impressed by a 200" LF deer than a HF deer of the same caliber and there is a reason some people are more impressed by a deer shot with a bow than with a rifle. To each his own, but sometimes you have to be able to see where the other side is coming from.

Its not the hunting behind a high fence that bothers me, but rather the fact that these "hunters" claim that its all genetics and age that produce these 200+ inch deer year after year. Yes it happens in places that are low fenced or not fenced at all, but not nearly as much.

Nope, but it's not like all those deer live in the middle of 10k acres and never try to travel further. I hunt on a 10k ranch (only lease 6500 plus 1200 bordering), but I can assure you there are plenty of deer that come and go from that ranch. It is not unusual to see the same buck on cameras that are 3-5 miles apart. 3 is actually pretty normal on our place. On the same note, there is no doubt that there are deer on our ranch that have never seen our borders.

I have no issue with any legal hunting method. It isn't for everyone, but the people that get so defensive about HF should take a step back and look at what the perception of HF operations are. Pictures of 50 bucks, all over 200", in a pen that is about 25 acres, is not going to make most people think "man, that looks like tough hunting." When you walk into the lodge and there are 30 deer mounted on the wall with horns going everywhere, they are not going to think "man, I bet they had to hunt their butts off for those." Many of the shows on TV don't help the cause when they "stalk" a 190" whitetail with a bow and there are 2 cameramen, the hunter, the guide, an the hunters wife. There are not many LF operations that will call you and say "hey, there is a 220" deer coming in regular. Come on up and you can shoot him tomorrow." There also aren't many LF operations that can guarantee a 160" or better in a 3 day hunt. When the average hunter sees a price tag that goes on some of these deer, it is going to turn them away. How many people do you know that hate a car (Escalade is a good example), just because of the price?

I realize that not every HF operation is ran the same way and most probably don't fall under any of the categories that I listed above, with the exception that ALL restrict deer movement. You add any of the factors listed above, on top of breeding programs, high supplementation of feed, importing of specific genetic traits and reports of someone growing a 300"+ deer that is worth over 1 million dollars...pretty sure there are people that are going to say there is no comparison between HF and LF. Many of these reasons is why B&C and P&Y say they dont compare.

I don't think that taking a deer off a HF place makes that deer any less of a trophy for that person. The argument can expand into rifle vs. bow (which is why there is a B&C and a P&Y), or feeder vs stalking, or any other method that might be a little more challenging. There is a reason other people are more impressed by a 200" LF deer than a HF deer of the same caliber and there is a reason some people are more impressed by a deer shot with a bow than with a rifle. To each his own, but sometimes you have to be able to see where the other side is coming from.

Its not the hunting behind a high fence that bothers me, but rather the fact that these "hunters" claim that its all genetics and age that produce these 200+ inch deer year after year. Yes it happens in places that are low fenced or not fenced at all, but not nearly as much.

x3