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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 04:29 PM
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while Im sure the tsx is a good bullet, Im far from convinced its the holy grail of bullets, considering some of the pics I have seen of recovered bullets. I know first hand what a standard cup and core does at .243 velocities. Heres one recovered from a 225 lb axis buck at a distance of 260yds, a hornady btsp handload, it was found embedded in the offside hide, buck went 20 yds and piled. Would I have liked it to exit, for sure but that next hole on the hide would have made no difference. to me this is perfect performance considering the distance as well. 
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 06:17 PM
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no one said a standard cup and core won't cleanly kill.. I 100% agree, been working for a long time
I have cleanly taken deer close to 400 yards with both 80 and 100g SPs out of a 243
Why _I_ like Barnes is that it increases the odds should you say hit a shoulder on a big hog up close...
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 06:54 PM
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Never got Passtrus in a 243 until I switched to tsx's
I got better accuracy out of the vortx 80grain ttsx then the federal 85tsx
As far as performance, they are best fitted for 25 cal and under or and 3200 fts or faster larger cals.
Problem with internet pics is you don't know the media, velocity and range those bullets where shot at.
I shoot ttsx's in my 257wbt and 243...and tsx's in 22250
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 06:56 PM
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here we go again.............. U can't leave bullet construction out of it when were simply talking mass you have too , thats why I say a light for caliber bonded will prolly equall a heavy for caliber cup and core, in terms of penetration. If a light for caliber bullet will out penetrate a heavy for caliber bullet, then mass does not equal penetration...you're talking in circles the only way your going to get a lighter bullet penetrate more is with leass expansion doesnt seem better to me
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 07:00 PM
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Pretty sure that ackely and the 22-250 proved your penetration science as bunk... now add in bullet construction of the modern era...and its even more bunk.
Speed / rpms and bullet construction kills
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 08:33 PM
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speed and rpm huh ? and bullet construction. wow ! werent you recently mumbling tko and momentum theories. think you guys make it up as you go along, to suit whatever it is yer arguing about this month. so a lead round ball pushed at anemic speeds without any rpm never killed a thing. i have no idea what yer talking bout with an ackley 22-250.
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 09:09 PM
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Your the king of reloading and you never read up on P.O Ackley
For the record we where agruing energy transfer and how it relates to bullet construction.....Remember static vs dynamic
For the record again..... E=.5(m * v^2)
E=energy V=velocity M=mass
Between. V & M which has the greater effect on energy ?
Hint the one that is squared.....
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 09:19 PM
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Correction 220 swift not 22-250
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 09:22 PM
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I know I am running 50's and 53's over 4000ft/sec and they are thumping pigs arses and I haven't recovered One yet and the wound channel from that little TSX is awesome!
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 09:31 PM
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 vg you are talking about something you have no experience with, and those bullets, and you know that  you go test em for yourself, and then you will see, no better bullet on the market, and their your type of bullet cause you wanna run em light for caliber and wfo! Well, I will have to call  on this. Used them in several different calibers and the Sierra Game King wins for me. To each their own.
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 09:55 PM
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I have had serria gamekings in both 243 and 270 blow up or seperate before penatrating the vials when pmc still loaded them... main reason I switched to tsx's
But the serria gameking was one of the most accurate bullets I have shot right next to vld's..
So to each their own.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:01 PM
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 vg you are talking about something you have no experience with, and those bullets, and you know that  you go test em for yourself, and then you will see, no better bullet on the market, and their your type of bullet cause you wanna run em light for caliber and wfo! Well, I will have to call  on this. Used them in several different calibers and the Sierra Game King wins for me. To each their own. Sierra Game kings explode and may never reach the vitals if they hit shoulder bone I have used them!
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:03 PM
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I have had serria gamekings in both 243 and 270 blow up or seperate before penatrating the vials when pmc still loaded them... main reason I switched to tsx's
But the serria gameking was one of the most accurate bullets I have shot right next to vld's..
So to each their own. Never used pmc. I have rolled my own for 40 years and nothing has run off yet.
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:06 PM
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Accurate they are but not a fan, shot muledeer in the neck and it didn't exit, you can keep em 
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:06 PM
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 vg you are talking about something you have no experience with, and those bullets, and you know that  you go test em for yourself, and then you will see, no better bullet on the market, and their your type of bullet cause you wanna run em light for caliber and wfo! Well, I will have to call  on this. Used them in several different calibers and the Sierra Game King wins for me. To each their own. Sierra Game kings explode and may never reach the vitals if they hit shoulder bone I have used them! Could be. I am am fairly particular about shot placement.
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:14 PM
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this shoulder bone is crap, it shadders with a blow from a hammer. ones touting about a 22 swift going through steel the next is worried about a shoulder bone, know whats worse at stopping a bullet than a shoulder bone, a deer belly full of food. Never worried about a little ol deer leg bone or hog bone, ever, and Ive punched through them like butter with just about every bullet.
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:19 PM
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Scatter I think the gk, vld, bt's of the world are great for larger calibers..
I feel the tsx, and ttsx really excel in the smaller hot cals. 220, 22-250, 243, 257wby..ect
I think the are also good in hot loaded 3200 plus larger cal.
Do I think you benefit from then in mild 30 cals no.
My 2 cents.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:21 PM
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Thats why I run light in my .300 win 3300ft/sec with 168gr TTSX
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:22 PM
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this shoulder bone is crap, it shadders with a blow from a hammer. ones touting about a 22 swift going through steel the next is worried about a shoulder bone, know whats worse at stopping a bullet than a shoulder bone, a deer belly full of food. Never worried about a little ol deer leg bone or hog bone, ever, and Ive punched through them like butter with just about every bullet. Your right with TSX I am not worried about bone 
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 10:23 PM
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I Only worry about shoulders with small Cal cup and core bullets from experience. this shoulder bone is crap, it shadders with a blow from a hammer. ones touting about a 22 swift going through steel the next is worried about a shoulder bone, know whats worse at stopping a bullet than a shoulder bone, a deer belly full of food. Never worried about a little ol deer leg bone or hog bone, ever, and Ive punched through them like butter with just about every bullet.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/08/11 11:54 PM
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Wow, Uh, thanks guys for all the great information. The reason I was aking about the TSX round for the 243 is that we put up a new stand that has a fence about 250 yards away on one side and an open field on the other. My son will be shooting the 243 (he is the best shot in the family) on youth weekend so I was looking for a round to keep the deer on our side of the fence. Thanks again for the help.
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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In that case, I'd go buy him a .260.
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/09/11 12:05 AM
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Or 7mm/08. But the TSX will get the job done in the .243. My daughter has taken plenty of critters with .243 and 85gr TSX, check out my sig line 
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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06/09/11 01:13 AM
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Wow, Uh, thanks guys for all the great information. The reason I was aking about the TSX round for the 243 is that we put up a new stand that has a fence about 250 yards away on one side and an open field on the other. My son will be shooting the 243 (he is the best shot in the family) on youth weekend so I was looking for a round to keep the deer on our side of the fence. Thanks again for the help. There's no guarantee that even a properly shot deer will not run a ways, I've seen a few run over a 100yds with no heart or little lungs left. As far as the Barnes stuff goes I've never used them in .243 (or any other caliber for that matter) seems PSP GK's have worked for years.
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Re: Federal 85 gr TSX for .243
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I Only worry about shoulders with small Cal cup and core bullets from experience.
first time youve made sense. 
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