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 Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
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03/15/11 07:14 PM
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Has anyone else actually READ the so-called "Puppy Mill" Bill, HB 1451???? It will make me and my family CRIMINALS overnight! It demands that simply because we breed dogs, my entire family must submit to fingerprinting and criminal background checks. Beyond that, we must relinquish all our rights to privacy and submit to surprise inspections of our home and property that may be conducted without prior notice or even just cause!
It also calls for all sorts of taxpayer paid employees, inspections, reporting, new 'commission', a 'training' commmision and more. Mighty expensive and an absolute usurping of our God-given rights!
Now here is the clencher... all these checks, invasions, inspections, requirements, restrictions, new hires, new taxes, new fees, etc. are supposedly to stop puppy mills. Yet, what does the bill say, specifically, about 'over-breeding' of female animals? Just that they should get 'adequate rest' between breeding cycles. Are you KIDDING me???!!! WTH is 'adequate rest' who determines it, how, when and on what basis?
Even scarier... it has several convenient areas that are 'reserved for expansion' - ie, the commission, once established, can then unilaterally begin imposing all sorts of rules, regulations and restrictions on breeders - with no presiding authority beyond them. They can just 'make up' new rules as they will. Sort of like Obama's HealthSmear bill. Sort of like socialism!
This bill is nothing more than a scheme to gain access and control over yet another sector of business. It further mushrooms government, taxes, government spending and beauracratic control over the lives of Texas citizens. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for puppy mills, but this 'bill' throws the proverbial baby out with the bathwater!
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
[Re: IronSpikeLabs]
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03/15/11 09:20 PM
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Has anyone else actually READ the so-called "Puppy Mill" Bill, HB 1451???? It will make me and my family CRIMINALS overnight! It demands that simply because we breed dogs, my entire family must submit to fingerprinting and criminal background checks. Beyond that, we must relinquish all our rights to privacy and submit to surprise inspections of our home and property that may be conducted without prior notice or even just cause!
It also calls for all sorts of taxpayer paid employees, inspections, reporting, new 'commission', a 'training' commmision and more. Mighty expensive and an absolute usurping of our God-given rights!
Now here is the clencher... all these checks, invasions, inspections, requirements, restrictions, new hires, new taxes, new fees, etc. are supposedly to stop puppy mills. Yet, what does the bill say, specifically, about 'over-breeding' of female animals? Just that they should get 'adequate rest' between breeding cycles. Are you KIDDING me???!!! WTH is 'adequate rest' who determines it, how, when and on what basis?
Even scarier... it has several convenient areas that are 'reserved for expansion' - ie, the commission, once established, can then unilaterally begin imposing all sorts of rules, regulations and restrictions on breeders - with no presiding authority beyond them. They can just 'make up' new rules as they will. Sort of like Obama's HealthSmear bill. Sort of like socialism!
This bill is nothing more than a scheme to gain access and control over yet another sector of business. It further mushrooms government, taxes, government spending and beauracratic control over the lives of Texas citizens. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for puppy mills, but this 'bill' throws the proverbial baby out with the bathwater! I agree with you. Hey I went through your you tube channel, cool stuff.
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
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03/16/11 12:41 PM
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I agree, and the real kicker is, you don't even have to be home during the inspections. They can just com on your property unsupervised and "inspect", to include your residence if they feel the need. The inspectors don't even have to be somebody that knows what they are doing. The bill states that it can be done by a third party inspector that has completed training. What training, provided by who, and to what standard it doesn't say. It could be any humane society whacko that completed a two hour course for all we know right now. This bill is a big one that needs to be killed, along with 2166 that makes many of the same requirements, along with no more tethering and mandatory 150 sq ft. kennels.
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
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03/16/11 03:03 PM
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My emails sent to representative and senator. What a bunch of crock!
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
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03/16/11 05:35 PM
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There are many laws out there related to dogs; I would rather become a criminal than have a law that allows some rancher the right to shoot a dog because it is seen as a threat to their lively hood "the live stock". Their is no guidelines in the law requiring proof a dog is chasing or harming before action is taken (shooting). Shoot now ask questions later. Gota love Texas law makers.
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
[Re: str8shooter]
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03/17/11 04:03 AM
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The law is horrible. Some of the greatest bloodlines in the state will be lost with this bill. And those who want to continue their passion will have to poor out money to change their homes or build kennels . . . It's a horribly floppy bill. HSUS needs to go to hell.
Justin H. NSC: Firearms & Hunting Supplies
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
[Re: silentex]
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03/17/11 12:37 PM
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srt8shooter, check out hb 3266, it has been introduced this session and allows for up to five thousand dollars civil liability for someone shooting your dog. the present animal cruelty statutes 42.09 come pretty close to what you are talking about, but the problem is that i believe the statute makes it a felony and it's hard for juries to convict someone to jail time for shooting a dog. if 3266 goes through it might make it suck enough that people will think twice about it though.
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
[Re: catchrcall]
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03/17/11 02:05 PM
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Thanks for the information; I will check it out for sure.
Hope you dont mind; I am going to add to my signature!
"Stand up for your rights to own and hunt with Dogs"
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
[Re: str8shooter]
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03/18/11 05:31 PM
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Add away, I don't mind a bit.
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
[Re: catchrcall]
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03/20/11 05:49 PM
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Thanks y'all, for the support. We're working with some Reps and Senators right now to come to a resolution/compromise on this bill! Keep up your calls & emails against the so-called "Puppy Mill Bill" going - it's helping!!!!
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
[Re: IronSpikeLabs]
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04/23/11 06:51 PM
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WARRANTLESS SEARCHES:
HB 1451 Sec. 802.062. (b) The inspection must be conducted during the facility's normal business hours, and that the licensed breeder or a representative of the licensed breeder may be present during the inspection.
1. What business hours?? Who's business hours? - The inspectors or the breeders? Please name some breeders who have business hours. Breeders are no more open to the public than the typical farmer, hunter, rancher is open to the public therefore they do not maintain business hours. It is private property. Most often it is a residence.
2. May be present does not mean required to be present. If the intent is to deny access to inspectors in the absence of the owner then state that in the bill.
3. Texas Humane Legislation Network (THLN) states "Furthermore, restaurant and hair salon owners have to be licensed and subject to inspection. So why shouldn't high volume dog and cat breeders?"
a. Eleven unspayed dogs over the age of six months is not high volume breeding.
b. Restaurant and hair salon owners are open to the public and keep business hours. Anyone off the street can enter their establishment during business hours.
c. Restaurant and hair salon owners are not subject to random unannounced inspection of their homes!
If HB 1451 passes no one will want to allow their dogs to give birth within the privacy of their own homes for fear of outsiders entering their homes. The public does not want that to happen. The pet loving public prefers to purchase puppies and kittens and dogs and cats that are accustomed to a home environment. HB 1451 all but eliminates that option.
Texas Humane Legislation Network states "The problem with this argument is animal cruelty laws can only be enforced AFTER an act of cruelty takes place."
Exactly as laws are supposed to be carried out. Laws are supposed to be set up to protect the falsely accused; the innocent.
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
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04/24/11 04:40 PM
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DAMN SOCIALISTS!!! Our country is going to hell in a handbasket!
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Re: Becoming a 'Criminal' Via My Dogs
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04/26/11 05:07 PM
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Those folks are out of there flippin minds. Thanks for the link.
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