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 Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: PhilR]
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03/30/11 01:00 PM
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All my Tx deer have been killed with my 7mm or 243 and Brie is 9yr and she loves my 243 and my222
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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03/30/11 01:42 PM
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I started out with a Rem 700 .243 at 15 yrs old and still have that rifle. After almost 40 yrs of carrying it around, it still makes just about every outting with me. I've got others, but we grew up together I guess you'd say. It's always served me well.
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: ipscshooter]
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03/30/11 02:25 PM
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terminal performance on the deer. Man I really like that term. I'm definitely going to sue the word terminal performance more from now on. I think what people are forgetting to consider in evaluating recoil is the weight of the gun. Believe it or not my 22-250 kicks as much as my 10/22. Why? Because it's a gigantic bastard. Gun alone probably weighs 14lbs, 26" bull barrel with a heavy target style HS stock. If the child is mostly going to be shooting from a rested position, deer stands and/or benches, and doesn't need to be hauling around on hikes, why not get a heavier gun to help manage the problem?
I'm a dude who likes long barrels!
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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03/30/11 03:29 PM
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I'm not sure what weight bullet most folks use for deer in a .243, but let's say 115 grains. the most common 7-08 weight is 140. you're likely to get better penetration with the heavier bullet. and the 7mms have good SD. So possibly on off angle shots you'll get better penetration with the 7mm. or if the bullet contacts bone, the 7mm should have a better chance of punching through and penetrating to the vitals.
techincally your correct, however I have seen first hand what a bonded 100 gr .243 will do. Ive seen it come in right in front of the hind quarter and exit front shoulder of 240lb axis deer. It will hang with the best of them. .243 is a deer slaying machine. so are a lot of other guns, for a kid or adult it would be that or a 7-08 or 7mm mauser, 25-06, .257 roberts, 30-30, 6mm, .250 savage, .260 . but .243 ammo is everywhere it makes the top 10 list for guns sold, with good reason
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: Korean Redneck]
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03/30/11 03:31 PM
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terminal performance on the deer. Man I really like that term. I'm definitely going to sue the word terminal performance more from now on. Always happy to contribute to the lexicon...  Back on topic, the only deer I've ever shot twice was with the 7mm Rem Mag... He was facing to my left, and I aimed one behind his left shoulder. At the shot, he wheeled around and took off running to the brush, but stopped a few yards short and stood facing to my right. I thought maybe a bad hit, so aimed one behind his right shoulder. At the shot, he bolted for the brush. Found him 10 yards in... Both shots had hit where I aimed. Both were double lung. He was dead after the first shot. He just didn't realize it yet. I've never had one stay on his feet long enough to take a second shot from my .243, 7mm-08 or .30-06... So, based solely on my limited experience, I guess you could say that for Texas Hill Country Whitetail Deer terminal performance of .243 exceeds that of a 7mm Rem Mag...  By the way, that was one exceedingly tough Hill Country Buck... He had a bullet wound under his spine from a prior season, AND, based on marks and cuts on his legs, and his low body weight, he had been hung up in a barbed wire fence for quite a while and had only recently escaped...
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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03/30/11 07:55 PM
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Maybe a 308 with Remington managed recoil 125gr ammo.
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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03/30/11 10:34 PM
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I know ammo is a little higher but I think the .260 is an excellent youth/small frame round. This was learned from trial and error. My wife 5'2" 115ish shoots the .260. Factory loads are available in up to 140gr. Heavier if you hand load.
I bought her .243, 6.5x55, 270 and then a .260. After shooting the .260 all the others went back to the cabinet. It has proven very accurate and a killing machine.
Remington Model 7 CDL .260. The gun is perfect for her.
It may be the Model 7 platform that she likes. She also enjoys shooting my 7-08 in Model 7.
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: BMD]
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03/30/11 11:35 PM
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another half inch and she will be taller than daddy.  Started my son with a Remington Model 7 Youth chambered for .243. Excellent deer rifle. I liked it so much, I bought myself a .243. Don't let anyone tell you it's not enough gun for Texas whitetails. Anyone who says that doesn't have a clue... Not gonna tell you it is not as my daughter hunted with one for four years but at 12 the 7/08 or 308 both give you a little more room for error. The .243 is great is plenty as long as shot is perfect, but with kids if they can handle a little more recoil and I mean very little more with the 7mm/08 it is a better option. I understand what your saying. I guess I have a particular concern about starting kids out with "too much" gun. I was small for my age, and when I was 15, I got a .30-06 with no recoil pad. Gave myself a flinch that I still fight nearly 40 years later. I've hunted Texas whitetails with .243, .30-06, 7mm-08, and 7mm Rem Mag. There has not been one iota of difference among the four with regard to terminal performance on the deer. I've had them drop in their tracks, or run 40 yards when hit through the lungs with the 06. I've had them drop in their tracks, or run 40 yards when hit through the lungs with the .243. I really don't see the 41/1000ths of an inch difference between the .243 and the 7mm as creating a truly significant increase in "margin for error." I do like the 7mm-08, and it would be a reasonable choice for a youth hunter, especially if he's a little bigger, but, though still manageable, it's got roughly 50% more recoil than the .243. I'd rather get the kid hunting and shooting with really solid fundamentals rather than run the risk that he'll be shooting with his eyes closed... Not sure where you are getting the recoil difference but you are wrong their is one pound of felt recoil difference in the two and bullet weight is much better with the 7/08 not arguing with the fact that recoil can create a problem but if the kid is an avg size 12 yr old boy he can handle the 7/08. I have both for my daughter who weighs 82lbs and is 5'1 and she can not tell a difference in recoil shooting 120 TSX handloads or factory loaded hornady 139gr sst. Do for what you gain in bullets the 7/08 is a Berger choice if he is an avg size 12 yr old.
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: ZombieGun]
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03/30/11 11:43 PM
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a h&r handi rifle in 243 there short , fairly accurate and not too heavy and i think they make youth models, and there not exspensive
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: sticksteer]
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03/30/11 11:48 PM
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And they are worth less than they cost, buy the best equipment you can afford to give them every chance of success!
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: BMD]
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03/31/11 12:34 AM
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I started out with a Remington 600 Mowhawk in .243 was a great rifle exspecially since its such a small package(works great as a truck gun now)
"A vote is like a rifle; it's usefulness depends on the character of the user" Theodore Roosevelt
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: dee]
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03/31/11 03:42 AM
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i disagree that there worthless,my daughter killed her first 8 point at 160 yrds this year with a h$r gun in 243 ,had a 4-12 compact burris and a factory trigger job,now i know it isnt a 1000 yrd gun ,but that particular buck had no idea how much the gun cost
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: sticksteer]
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03/31/11 03:45 AM
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i disagree that there worthless,my daughter killed her first 8 point at 160 yrds this year with a h$r gun in 243 ,had a 4-12 compact burris and a factory trigger job,now i know it isnt a 1000 yrd gun ,but that particular buck had no idea how much the gun cost I didn't say worthless I said they are worth less than they cost 
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: BMD]
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03/31/11 03:46 AM
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my dad,and step dad started me out with a 30-06 ruger m 77 still have it and love it
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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03/31/11 03:49 AM
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3006 is the worst mistake I started out on. Became recoil sensitive at a young age and I was big boned.
Several better choices.
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: BMD]
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03/31/11 03:55 AM
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i disagree that there worthless,my daughter killed her first 8 point at 160 yrds this year with a h$r gun in 243 ,had a 4-12 compact burris and a factory trigger job,now i know it isnt a 1000 yrd gun ,but that particular buck had no idea how much the gun cost I didn't say worthless I said they are worth less than they cost bout like the remingtons you shoot.
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
[Re: vanguard]
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03/31/11 03:57 AM
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i disagree that there worthless,my daughter killed her first 8 point at 160 yrds this year with a h$r gun in 243 ,had a 4-12 compact burris and a factory trigger job,now i know it isnt a 1000 yrd gun ,but that particular buck had no idea how much the gun cost I didn't say worthless I said they are worth less than they cost bout like the remingtons you shoot. Dude I am gonna file a restraining order on you if you don't quit stAlking me
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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03/31/11 03:58 AM
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i disagree that there worthless,my daughter killed her first 8 point at 160 yrds this year with a h$r gun in 243 ,had a 4-12 compact burris and a factory trigger job,now i know it isnt a 1000 yrd gun ,but that particular buck had no idea how much the gun cost I didn't say worthless I said they are worth less than they cost bout like the remingtons you shoot. I have seen the  you hunt with now get back under your rock!
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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03/31/11 04:01 AM
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Sorry I don't turn my gun around by a peice of acrylic at wal marts don't hate because nobody EVER recommends a vanguard and you so proudly named yourself that Take your one man wal marts army back. Are you sad K mart is no longer around, I bet they carry some pretty sweet guns.
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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Sorry I don't turn my gun around by a peice of acrylic at wal marts don't hate because nobody EVER recommends a vanguard and you so proudly named yourself that Take your one man wal marts army back. Are you sad K mart is no longer around, I bet they carry some pretty sweet guns. 
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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it aint the arrow its the indian
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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03/31/11 04:07 AM
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Cool redundant statements
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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it aint the arrow its the indian Then why do you push this junky arse rifles 
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Re: Best rifle to start youngster out deer hunting with?
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a fool and his money are soon parted Can always make more and it's cheaper than those stupid donor cycles u ride, think I'll go play golf
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