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 Re: Before the e-collar
[Re: bill oxner]
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02/07/15 11:57 AM
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Nogalus Prairie
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This forum is slow, I'll hijack ey own thread with another question. Herman Smith said,"but to keep him sweet, I killed plenty of quail for him."
Do you think it's necessary to kill birds over your pointing dogs for reward, or that finding and pointing birds is reward enough? I am a total rookie, but the answer to this one seems clear. The dog is hunting. That means his instinct is to kill. Nothing they do is for show to them. So I believe killing is essential to complete the hunting act. I understand that is not always possible these days and that's a shame.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Before the e-collar
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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02/07/15 03:33 PM
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1971snipe
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With my previous dog (e-pointer), I don't think I'd been able to handle him without the e-collar, especially when woodcock hunting ... I'd use the beeper function of the collar to keep him in close, "close" being a relative term for that dog.
The dog I now have, (another EP), has never had an e-collar on him, and has never needed one ... <knocking on wood>.
Same breed but different lines; two completely different dogs.
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Re: Before the e-collar
[Re: bobcat1]
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02/07/15 04:22 PM
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Chet
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I haven't been to a horseback trial in years, and no longer take the AF, but it's my understanding that they're running mostly broke derbies now days.
Most modern day trainers never lay a hand on their dogs. It's all done with the e-collar, along with improved breeding stock. They have been running broke derbies for years. Now some of those derbies might have been a little more than 2 years old too.  You are absolutely right, the days of placing derbies on potential are gone, if a derby is going to win in open stakes he better be broke.
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Re: Before the e-collar
[Re: Chet]
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02/07/15 11:49 PM
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bobcat1
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I haven't been to a horseback trial in years, and no longer take the AF, but it's my understanding that they're running mostly broke derbies now days.
Most modern day trainers never lay a hand on their dogs. It's all done with the e-collar, along with improved breeding stock. They have been running broke derbies for years. Now some of those derbies might have been a little more than 2 years old too. You are absolutely right, the days of placing derbies on potential are gone, if a derby is going to win in open stakes he better be broke. Right! What used to be derbies are what puppy stakes look like.
Bobby Barnett
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