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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2009608 01/11/11 07:26 PM
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Vanguard when you hurt yourself or some innocent bystander, remember you were warned, and again don't sell this load of crap to someone at Academy that will go home and hurt themselves, Again Karnis is a pro you might should shut up and learn from him!


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: GregW] #2009609 01/11/11 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: GregW
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Primers indicate very little,



wow ! did you really just say that
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case seperation, hard bolts to open, flattened primers, blown primers, shiny head stamps, indicate very little as well ?


The other issue at play is that I used RL-19 extensively in my old 7mm-08 before I dumped it.

I had nearly a 300 fps velocity loss from 85 degrees to 35 degrees...

Hop you worked your load up when it was 95 degrees.



that bad huh. wow. lucky my load was done this summer.
bummer...




Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: GregW] #2009620 01/11/11 07:27 PM
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Greg:

Don't post stuff like that. It will addle his wits. How's the .260 doing?



Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: kmon11] #2009632 01/11/11 07:30 PM
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Fair question.. no worries...No third.... had an older mark v for over 8years.and a encore barrel although encore barrel i sold right away b/c buddy offered me 150 more then I paid for due to wait..

Got away from it cause back then bullet choic es sux..and my ammo funds where highly limited.. so went down to a 243 or my 22-250 and if I needed bigger use my 300mag or my dads 30-06 springfeild he built... also got rid of my 224 TTH. Paying for colleges expenditures sux'd...and those where my two highest price rifles.

I'm a big quarter fan love my 25-06...it can due any thing my 257 can just lacks the. extra wow factor. Personally feel with new bullet technology make all 25cal and smaller cal turn in to a new breed.

If I could have any gun in the world it would be a dakota 10 in 25-06.



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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: BMD] #2009636 01/11/11 07:30 PM
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Vanguard when you hurt yourself or some innocent bystander, remember you were warned, and again don't sell this load of crap to someone at Academy that will go home and hurt themselves, Again Karnis is a pro you might should shut up and learn from him!


whats to learn from stayin within the parameters of load data.




Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: GregW] #2009643 01/11/11 07:32 PM
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Carlos, You played with any RL-17 yet? What are your thoughts on typical pressure indicators and this powder regarding the pressure curve?





Have some RL17. It's not magic, the only reason I think people went nuts with it because of the results with the 6BR. MD posted about that and I'd have to defer to him. I'd be eyeballing a chrono and manuals all day long (until I get a strain gauge and that won't be any time soon). I've had flattened primers with loads under max, round primers with loads over stated velocities (7x61 S&H). I just happen to think keeping body parts attached is paramount. laugh



Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2009647 01/11/11 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: vanguard
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Vanguard when you hurt yourself or some innocent bystander, remember you were warned, and again don't sell this load of crap to someone at Academy that will go home and hurt themselves, Again Karnis is a pro you might should shut up and learn from him!


whats to learn from stayin within the parameters of load data.


Nothing. Keep adding powder.



Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Karnis] #2009653 01/11/11 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: Karnis
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Vanguard when you hurt yourself or some innocent bystander, remember you were warned, and again don't sell this load of crap to someone at Academy that will go home and hurt themselves, Again Karnis is a pro you might should shut up and learn from him!


whats to learn from stayin within the parameters of load data.


Nothing. Keep adding powder.


that ain't right.


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: rifleman] #2009671 01/11/11 07:37 PM
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It is in context. Trying to keep others from trying the same thing.



Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Karnis] #2009711 01/11/11 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: Karnis
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Vanguard when you hurt yourself or some innocent bystander, remember you were warned, and again don't sell this load of crap to someone at Academy that will go home and hurt themselves, Again Karnis is a pro you might should shut up and learn from him!


whats to learn from stayin within the parameters of load data.


Nothing. Keep adding powder.


rofl


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Karnis] #2009728 01/11/11 07:40 PM
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My bad...

Doing okay. Can't get the speeds I want as it appears to be taking a liking to fast powders and not traditional .260 standbys.


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Karnis] #2009737 01/11/11 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: Karnis
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Carlos, You played with any RL-17 yet? What are your thoughts on typical pressure indicators and this powder regarding the pressure curve?





Have some RL17. It's not magic, the only reason I think people went nuts with it because of the results with the 6BR. MD posted about that and I'd have to defer to him. I'd be eyeballing a chrono and manuals all day long (until I get a strain gauge and that won't be any time soon). I've had flattened primers with loads under max, round primers with loads over stated velocities (7x61 S&H). I just happen to think keeping body parts attached is paramount. laugh


I got some very good velocity from it this past weekend in the wife's .243 and 80's. Not sure if you saw that or not.

Oh, and no traditional pressure signs were present either...grin...


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Karnis] #2009839 01/11/11 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Karnis
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Primers indicate very little,



wow ! did you really just say that
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case seperation, hard bolts to open, flattened primers, blown primers, shiny head stamps, indicate very little as well ?


Apparently you are quite experienced with case separations and flattened primers. Congratulations. Make sure you have a plastic surgeon, dentist and ophthalmologist on speed dial. They'll be you BFF if you continue and guess what? I know you will.

Answer my question. You want me to finish your weak attempt?


I want you to finish his weak attempt! Im not bilingual!



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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: GregW] #2009843 01/11/11 07:59 PM
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Anbody remember the OP's question .257 vs .260. How the heck did we get on and stay on 7-08.

To try to answer the question I would say that if you are not shooting over 300 yards the .260 will be cheaper and more fun to shoot. Also a very accurate round.

I have no experience with the .257 wby but it seems very impressive and should definately make you more manly. For sure its better at extreme ranges.

Whats the recoil on the Weatherby like. My wife can shoot her .260 70-80 rounds before she tires of it. But a .270 about 3 shots is enough for her.

Just to propel the argument. The 7-08 SST 139gr in superformance runs 2950. I also have a couple of boxes of SST 139gr Lite Magnum that run 3000. These are advertised #s. I've never checked them out of my 20" barrel but I'm sure its less with the short stick.


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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: redchevy] #2009874 01/11/11 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
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Primers indicate very little,



wow ! did you really just say that
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case seperation, hard bolts to open, flattened primers, blown primers, shiny head stamps, indicate very little as well ?


Apparently you are quite experienced with case separations and flattened primers. Congratulations. Make sure you have a plastic surgeon, dentist and ophthalmologist on speed dial. They'll be you BFF if you continue and guess what? I know you will.

Answer my question. You want me to finish your weak attempt?


I want you to finish his weak attempt! Im not bilingual!

x2


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: wp75169] #2009877 01/11/11 08:07 PM
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With all due respect, you're not suggesting the .260 is a 300 yard cartridge are you sir?

While no one denies the Roy is a screamer, the farther you take the .260 out there, the closer to Roy it gets, especially with heavies...

The 130 Scirocco is an absolute game changer in .264"...


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Im not putting limits on the .260 for my personal use. I believe most hunters do not or will not go to the trouble to learn their rifle and where it shoots at various ranges. Since I do not know the OP yes that is my answer.


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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: wp75169] #2009899 01/11/11 08:12 PM
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I understand completely...


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: redchevy] #2009932 01/11/11 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
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Primers indicate very little,



wow ! did you really just say that
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case seperation, hard bolts to open, flattened primers, blown primers, shiny head stamps, indicate very little as well ?


Apparently you are quite experienced with case separations and flattened primers.


Congratulations. Make sure you have a plastic surgeon, dentist and ophthalmologist on speed dial. They'll be you BFF if you continue and guess what? I know you will.

Answer my question. You want me to finish your weak attempt?


I want you to finish his weak attempt! Im not bilingual!



Let's say his Spanish is worse than his loading capabilities!


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: BMD] #2009947 01/11/11 08:22 PM
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Rustler don't feed the Vanguard, I assure you he ain't running 2800ft per sec with 160+ gr out of 7/08, he is talking out his arse, and publishing the numbers is a liability you know people believe bs they read on the net daily.


My point was, faster than book max velocities are obtainable safely if the proper test equipment is used to develop them.

Using visual signs of over pressure as a reference when developing max velocity or max and over charge weight loads is absolutely a fools game.

If a person posts a load that isn't a lawyer approved book max or less and if the source couldn't be confirmed he would be just as liable as the idiot that tried said load and encountered a catastrophic failure.


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somebody send me a pm with a spanish lesson if it cant be said on the open forum!



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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Rustler] #2009999 01/11/11 08:35 PM
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Rustler don't feed the Vanguard, I assure you he ain't running 2800ft per sec with 160+ gr out of 7/08, he is talking out his arse, and publishing the numbers is a liability you know people believe bs they read on the net daily.


My point was, faster than book max velocities are obtainable safely if the proper test equipment is used to develop them.

Using visual signs of over pressure as a reference when developing max velocity or max and over charge weight loads is absolutely a fools game.



And that is what he is doing, playing a fools game!

If a person posts a load that isn't a lawyer approved book max or less and if the source couldn't be confirmed he would be just as liable as the idiot that tried said load and encountered a catastrophic failure.



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Libtard. flame



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Originally Posted By: Rustler
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Rustler don't feed the Vanguard, I assure you he ain't running 2800ft per sec with 160+ gr out of 7/08, he is talking out his arse, and publishing the numbers is a liability you know people believe bs they read on the net daily.


My point was, faster than book max velocities are obtainable safely if the proper test equipment is used to develop them.



.....and that's what published and why efforts continue by highly specialized labs to develop better/more efficient powders. Once again, there are no free lunches, thinking otherwise is a fools errand.



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Originally Posted By: GregW
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Carlos, You played with any RL-17 yet? What are your thoughts on typical pressure indicators and this powder regarding the pressure curve?





Have some RL17. It's not magic, the only reason I think people went nuts with it because of the results with the 6BR. MD posted about that and I'd have to defer to him. I'd be eyeballing a chrono and manuals all day long (until I get a strain gauge and that won't be any time soon). I've had flattened primers with loads under max, round primers with loads over stated velocities (7x61 S&H). I just happen to think keeping body parts attached is paramount. laugh


I got some very good velocity from it this past weekend in the wife's .243 and 80's. Not sure if you saw that or not.

Oh, and no traditional pressure signs were present either...grin...


I did see it although can't remember what boolit you were shooting. It's can be a "death ray" with TTSX's. smile



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