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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:38 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Why did you shoot the hog with 120 BT's if your 162 are so bad arse?
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:38 PM
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don't keep any of my stuff in this dump...will get back with you when I make a trip in. nolser lists the 160 gr with 47.5 gr of rl 19 at 2780, i run 48.5 gr compressed behind the 162 sst in a 24" weatherby right at 2800fps just starting to show pressure, but thats what it likes, I back down and accuracy starts to fade, so I load it there, i get about 7 loads at that and start to see case seperation Continue running overloads and you will have a vanguard bolt lawsuit I guess or someone close to you can try nah if you had been paying attention to what i have been trying to tell you youd understand by now, the weatherby is a handloaders dream, she likes it hot and asks for more. This aint no crappy remington get a new gun
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:40 PM
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Why did you shoot the hog with 120 BT's if your 162 are so bad arse? hell i dont know, I got to many pet loads and not enough time most of my game fall to a 50gr bullet anyways
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:41 PM
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redchevy
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don't keep any of my stuff in this dump...will get back with you when I make a trip in. nolser lists the 160 gr with 47.5 gr of rl 19 at 2780, i run 48.5 gr compressed behind the 162 sst in a 24" weatherby right at 2800fps just starting to show pressure, but thats what it likes, I back down and accuracy starts to fade, so I load it there, i get about 7 loads at that and start to see case seperation Continue running overloads and you will have a vanguard bolt lawsuit I guess or someone close to you can try nah if you had been paying attention to what i have been trying to tell you youd understand by now, the weatherby is a handloaders dream, she likes it hot and asks for more. This aint no crappy remington get a new gun The trouble is you just cant give her what she needs!  I couldnt resist 
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:44 PM
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Rustler
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Until you use pressure testing equipment on your rifle all you're doing is guessing at what max is.
That's the reason manuals list a max, to keep folks that are too lazy to properly test their hand loads from hurting themselves or their buddy's they load for.
In my rifles quite a few of my pet loads for each rifle exceed any published book velocities and remain under saami cup specs.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:46 PM
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Until you use pressure testing equipment on your rifle all you're doing is guessing at what max is.
That's the reason manuals list a max, to keep folks that are too lazy to properly test their hand loads from hurting themselves or their buddy's they load for.
In my rifles quite a few of my pet loads for each rifle exceed any published book velocities and remain under saami cup specs. please refrain from confusing the peasants with facts
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:47 PM
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redchevy
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I like to stay with max or under.
The fastest load I saw for a 7mm08 on noslers site with a 160 grain bullet was 2650 for a max load, streaching that to 2800 is a little much, kindal like makin a 280 into a 7mag without ackly improving, just dump in the powder and good to go right...
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:50 PM
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I like to stay with max or under.
The fastest load I saw for a 7mm08 on noslers site with a 160 grain bullet was 2650 for a max load, streaching that to 2800 is a little much, kindal like makin a 280 into a 7mag without ackly improving, just dump in the powder and good to go right... arrrrrrggg. once again keyboard champion, GET THE BOOK not the weak internet loads
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:51 PM
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Karnis
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don't keep any of my stuff in this dump...will get back with you when I make a trip in. nolser lists the 160 gr with 47.5 gr of rl 19 at 2780, i run 48.5 gr compressed behind the 162 sst in a 24" weatherby right at 2800fps just starting to show pressure, but thats what it likes, I back down and accuracy starts to fade, so I load it there, i get about 7 loads at that and start to see case seperation Continue running overloads and you will have a vanguard bolt lawsuit I guess or someone close to you can try Good luck with that load. Sudden failure does not occur with the first batch of loads, it occurs after the receiver develops stress fractures which can occur at anytime. That's the reason there are loading manuals. If you think you have a fast barrel, think again. Velocity is a function of pressure and you are way over recommended amounts which are in the 60K range. Even the newest powder developed by Alliant (Power Pro 200LR) only runs 2700. Call Alliant and ask them what they think and then get back to us.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:51 PM
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BMD
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Rustler don't feed the Vanguard, I assure you he ain't running 2800ft per sec with 160+ gr out of 7/08, he is talking out his arse, and publishing the numbers is a liability you know people believe bs they read on the net daily.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:54 PM
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BMD
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don't keep any of my stuff in this dump...will get back with you when I make a trip in. nolser lists the 160 gr with 47.5 gr of rl 19 at 2780, i run 48.5 gr compressed behind the 162 sst in a 24" weatherby right at 2800fps just starting to show pressure, but thats what it likes, I back down and accuracy starts to fade, so I load it there, i get about 7 loads at that and start to see case seperation Continue running overloads and you will have a vanguard bolt lawsuit I guess or someone close to you can try Good luck with that load. Sudden failure does not occur with the first batch of loads, it occurs after the receiver develops stress fractures which can occur at anytime. That's the reason there are loading manuals. If you think you have a fast barrel, think again. Velocity is a function of pressure and you are way over recommended amounts which are in the 60K range. Even the newest powder developed by Alliant (Power Pro 200LR) only runs 2700. Call Alliant and ask them what they think and then get back to us. I assure you this guy has forgotten more than u will ever know about rifles, loading, optics (well maybe not optics  ). If he is telling you, ten you might want to listen for your safety and anyone around you shooting.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:56 PM
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vanguard
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don't keep any of my stuff in this dump...will get back with you when I make a trip in. nolser lists the 160 gr with 47.5 gr of rl 19 at 2780, i run 48.5 gr compressed behind the 162 sst in a 24" weatherby right at 2800fps just starting to show pressure, but thats what it likes, I back down and accuracy starts to fade, so I load it there, i get about 7 loads at that and start to see case seperation Continue running overloads and you will have a vanguard bolt lawsuit I guess or someone close to you can try Good luck with that load. Sudden failure does not occur with the first batch of loads, it occurs after the receiver develops stress fractures which can occur at anytime. That's the reason there are loading manuals. If you think you have a fast barrel, think again. Velocity is a function of pressure and you are way over recommended amounts which are in the 60K range. Even the newest powder developed by Alliant (Power Pro 200LR) only runs 2700. Call Alliant and ask them what they think and then get back to us. dude im not even having blown or flattened primers, I can assure you its well within specs. I guess most of you dont handload much, wait till you see a flattened head stamp, now thats hot.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:58 PM
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I assure you this guy has forgotten more than u will ever know about rifles, loading, optics (well maybe not optics  ). If he is telling you, ten you might want to listen for your safety and anyone around you shooting. mama se la
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:59 PM
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BMD
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Please continue you have become comical  Karnis prolly loads more in a week than you do in a year.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 06:59 PM
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Hey, BMD, in case you were wondering on that other post where I shot the bullet out of the air coming at my head. The other guy was shooting a 260 and I knew my 257 was faster--so I actually gave it a little lead before blowing it out of the air.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:00 PM
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when you can pull the bullet out with your fingers...that's a bad thing right? Nosler 5th edition manual has Reloader 19 47.5 grains, COL 2.8 inches for 2780 with 160r bullets and 26 inch barrel. It all depends on your rifle as to wether that is safe or not. Some rifles are faster than others and some reach max for that rifle earlier than other. Question for Bobo. Is that very nice custom remmy you bought this fall your first 257Roy? If it is there sure has been a lot of promoting something for less than 6 months of ownership. If not I appologize.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:04 PM
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Karnis
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Primers indicate very little, you may have a hard batch of cups, etc. Velocity is the best indicator and you are over what any manual lists. If you want to continue to do that, by all means go ahead.
Personally, I would buy a larger caliber if I wanted to run 162 A-max's at or over 2800.
One example. I have a 7x61 Sharpe&Hart with a 23" Douglas SS airgauge. Some load data, just not a lot. Case capacity is slightly less than a 7mm Mag. If I could get 3000 to 3050 I would be happy. First shot chrono'd at 3150 and you guessed it, the primer looked nice and round. Pulled the rest of the boolits and reduced the powder charge.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:06 PM
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Hey, BMD, in case you were wondering on that other post where I shot the bullet out of the air coming at my head. The other guy was shooting a 260 and I knew my 257 was faster--so I actually gave it a little lead before blowing it out of the air.  new it had to be 
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:06 PM
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when you can pull the bullet out with your fingers...that's a bad thing right? Some rifles are faster than others and some reach max for that rifle earlier than other. Velocity is a function of pressure, if some are faster they have a tighter bore, shorter throat, etc. Nothing magical I can assure you.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:09 PM
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I assure you this guy has forgotten more than u will ever know about rifles, loading, optics (well maybe not optics  ). If he is telling you, ten you might want to listen for your safety and anyone around you shooting. mama se la mama se la what? Would you like me to finish that for you so others can see how ignent you are? I am bilingual after all.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:12 PM
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I assure you this guy has forgotten more than u will ever know about rifles, loading, optics (well maybe not optics  ). If he is telling you, ten you might want to listen for your safety and anyone around you shooting. mama se la mama se la what? Would you like me to finish that for you so others can see how ignent you are? I am bilingual after all. 
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:13 PM
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Primers indicate very little, wow ! did you really just say that sigh...... case seperation, hard bolts to open, flattened primers, blown primers, shiny head stamps, indicate very little as well ?
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:18 PM
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Karnis
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Primers indicate very little, wow ! did you really just say that sigh...... case seperation, hard bolts to open, flattened primers, blown primers, shiny head stamps, indicate very little as well ? Apparently you are quite experienced with case separations and flattened primers. Congratulations. Make sure you have a plastic surgeon, dentist and ophthalmologist on speed dial. They'll be you BFF if you continue and guess what? I know you will. Answer my question. You want me to finish your weak attempt?
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:23 PM
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Primers indicate very little, wow ! did you really just say that sigh...... case seperation, hard bolts to open, flattened primers, blown primers, shiny head stamps, indicate very little as well ? The other issue at play is that I used RL-19 extensively in my old 7mm-08 before I dumped it. I had nearly a 300 fps velocity loss from 85 degrees to 35 degrees... Hop you worked your load up when it was 95 degrees.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 07:25 PM
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Carlos, You played with any RL-17 yet? What are your thoughts on typical pressure indicators and this powder regarding the pressure curve?
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