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Tooth wear #1969645 01/01/11 02:03 AM
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How accurate do you guys find it?

I have had some very strange surprises in tooth vs field estimations.


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It is real accurate up to 4.5 for me.I am ok with it up to 4.5 yrs of age. After that I go by what I think the deer looks like for age if the tooth wear age does not match what I think the is for age. The same person doing the aging is critical for me. I am looking for trend data on age class any way.



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X2 on up to 4.5, maybe 5.5 depending on diet.

I can usually get within a year up to 6.5, after that, its best guess unless i know the deer and have been on the ranch.



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Got a set the biologist put together for us of deer harvested on our ranch... Close enough for us!



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I just harvest a management that I was sure was a very mature deer, 6.5 +.

But teeth were a text book 4.5.


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Originally Posted By: Chafro
I just harvest a management that I was sure was a very mature deer, 6.5 +.

But teeth were a text book 4.5.

Post pics of the deer and the jaw if you have it. Just curious. What did the deer dress in comparison to your other deer in that age class? Protien? If so how long on feed?



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Here are the pics of the deer. The 7 pointer. He was a managment in our place anyway at 4.5 but still i was sure he was an older deer, even the horns match an old deer. Beautifull 7 pointer.







I fine our hunters that kill a deer less than 5.5 so i need to be sure I can trust the aging.


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Looks like you get fined to me...lol...Based on the pics I would say he looks 4.5 or 5.5 for that time of the year. To tall and leggy looking to me. Facial features are more of a 4.5 yr old also. Either way he needed to go. What was his dressed weight? How did it compare to other mature bucks. Need to read some recent research done by CKWRI in Kingsville on aging by toothwear. Very enlightening. They are now suggesting to group bucks for aging due to problems with tooth wear aging.



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Im gona have to fine myself,. LOL. 6-7 pointers are managment to us from 3.5 years up.

WE didnt weight him.

But the body appeared big as the 5-6 age deer class deer we been hunting this year.

Cant find that recent reaserch, do you have the link?


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Here is part of the mail out that I received from them. Can't find the original but this will help you...http://ckwri.tamuk.edu/research-programs/deer-research-program/research/king-ranch-deer-project/ scroll down till you get to: Aging Bias and New Criteria for Aging South Texas White-tailed Deer.



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Thanks!!!

That doesnt help me alot LOL,, I need to know the difference from 4.5 and 5.5 bucks. I guess guesstimation will have to do.

But this other reaserch makes my manangemnt bucks guide lines right on the money (we kill 3.5+ with less than 8 points and 4.5 + with less than 9 points that score under 140):

Prior Antler Development as a Predictor of Future Antler Size
John S. Lewis, Mickey W. Hellickson, David G. Hewitt, and Fred C. Bryant

Trophy deer management often involves controlling numbers of both bucks and does. Because the objective of trophy deer management is to produce larger-antlered bucks, many wildlife managers wish to remove the portion of the buck population with the least potential for large antler size. This traditionally includes removing spike-antlered yearling bucks and smaller-antlered older individuals; however, there are little data available to support one culling system over another.

We present trends in antler development comparing gross Boone & Crockett score (GBC) of individuals captured early in life to the same individuals captured at a later date using data from the South Texas Buck Capture Project.
Data from bucks captured from 1998–2007 indicate 3% of spike-antlered yearling bucks scored >150 GBC, while 33% of fork-antlered yearlings scored >150 at 5.5+ years old. Of 3.5 year old deer with &#8804; 8 points, only 8% scored >150 GBC, compared to 37% for those with 9 or more points. For 4.5 year old bucks with &#8804;9 points, 5% scored >150 GBC, whereas 24% of bucks with 10 or more points scored >150.

These criteria might be useful in trophy management of white-tailed deer where the manager can control harvest intensity and selection. Caution is advised for managers of properties where stakeholder interest is in harvesting more deer—not larger deer, or where deer densities or sex ratios do not require removal of bucks.




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he does look like a 4.5 to me. 5.5 typically start having more back sway, brisket carries even with the gut etc... basically the body starts to make the legs looks shorter because of the blockiness. if any of this makes sense. of course i am no expert.


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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
It is real accurate up to 4.5 for me.I am ok with it up to 4.5 yrs of age. After that I go by what I think the deer looks like for age if the tooth wear age does not match what I think the is for age. The same person doing the aging is critical for me. I am looking for trend data on age class any way.


The part highlighted in red x1000! And I would agree 4.5 looking deer.



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Originally Posted By: Chafro
Here are the pics of the deer. The 7 pointer. He was a managment in our place anyway at 4.5 but still i was sure he was an older deer, even the horns match an old deer. Beautifull 7 pointer.


I fine our hunters that kill a deer less than 5.5 so i need to be sure I can trust the aging.


I used to fine our hunters based on age of deer, but aging by toothwear was too subjective. The tape measure does not lie! I have been the one doing the toothwear aging on the lease I manage since '97 so we have consistency for record keeping, every deer, including doe has the jaw removed for later comparison.


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On my place, if I remove the jaw and the tooth wear does not match what I was guessing the age to be, then I send in the teeth to deerage.com for lab analysis. If the results come back to match the tooth wear, this is what we call the deer. If it comes back and matches what the body suggested, this is what we call the deer. Every buck's teeth I have sent in for lab analysis has come back older by at least a year than what the tooth wear had suggested. Some deer just have good teeth and dont wear the same as most. It is all a crap shoot in my opinion. We do the best we can and let the chips fall where they may. Dont take the fun out of hunting. The guys that I share my south fenceline with send all of their teeth in for analysis. The vast majority come back one year older than what the tooth wear shows. Im talking about bucks that are at least 4.5 yr old.



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Thanks!!!

That doesnt help me alot LOL,, I need to know the difference from 4.5 and 5.5 bucks. I guess guesstimation will have to do.

But this other reaserch makes my manangemnt bucks guide lines right on the money (we kill 3.5+ with less than 8 points and 4.5 + with less than 9 points that score under 140):

Prior Antler Development as a Predictor of Future Antler Size
John S. Lewis, Mickey W. Hellickson, David G. Hewitt, and Fred C. Bryant

Trophy deer management often involves controlling numbers of both bucks and does. Because the objective of trophy deer management is to produce larger-antlered bucks, many wildlife managers wish to remove the portion of the buck population with the least potential for large antler size. This traditionally includes removing spike-antlered yearling bucks and smaller-antlered older individuals; however, there are little data available to support one culling system over another.

We present trends in antler development comparing gross Boone & Crockett score (GBC) of individuals captured early in life to the same individuals captured at a later date using data from the South Texas Buck Capture Project.
Data from bucks captured from 1998–2007 indicate 3% of spike-antlered yearling bucks scored >150 GBC, while 33% of fork-antlered yearlings scored >150 at 5.5+ years old. Of 3.5 year old deer with &#8804; 8 points, only 8% scored >150 GBC, compared to 37% for those with 9 or more points. For 4.5 year old bucks with &#8804;9 points, 5% scored >150 GBC, whereas 24% of bucks with 10 or more points scored >150.

These criteria might be useful in trophy management of white-tailed deer where the manager can control harvest intensity and selection. Caution is advised for managers of properties where stakeholder interest is in harvesting more deer—not larger deer, or where deer densities or sex ratios do not require removal of bucks.


If you can get the detail article that came out in a mailer about 2 months ago it has much more info in that will help you some.



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do you have any other pictures where he is not around other bucks and all bristled up?

his front knees have that knuckle look, thats why I'm asking..



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tooth wear is going to vary depending on the part of the state you are hunting in. in an area with sandy soil, the teeth are going to be ground down quicker than other areas. you see it in cattle alot too


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