So you've changed your tune... now it has its place but before you said there was no need for it? Guess we'll just agree to somewhat disagree.

The OP was talking about shooting hogs... doesn't a brush gun fit that category pretty well? Sure it doesn't fit the long range aspect, but there's still a niche. If I'm in the thick river bottoms and there's a 300+ lb boar heading toward me... I'd rather have a Beowulf than my .308 That doesn't mean someone couldn't go in with a .22, but there's a certain level of comfort knowing that you don't have to rely on making a perfect shot. I think that qualifies as a need, and a good fit for that need is the Beowulf cartridge. Plus... it's just cool as heck! Nobody can deny that.

The energy you speak of... I use a Beowulf in 75+/- yd ranges... for further ranges I'll grab another rifle. It's no secret that you don't use a .50 at long range, but up close I'd rather have the support of a 400 grain bullet on my side rather than a 150 grain bullet. If you mention energy you have to mention momentum. What's going to carry that energy further once it hits... is that not important? It is very important, especially with those tanks with legs we call hogs. Sorry OP, rant off.

I didn't say there wasn't a need for it. I said, if you have a 308 AR, you won't need a beowolf.

A 308 TSX will do way more damage than a Beo at any range. If you can't kill a hog with a 308, first time everytime your a terrible shot.

I've killed over a hundred hogs with my 5.56, when I use my 308 with a TSX or game king, its too easy.

You're right about that. I mean, after all... pigs stand still all the time right? It's also ridiculous to hunt unless you're in a stand watching a feeder, so it's waaaaaay too easy not to shoot them, one shot one kill. Every time.

Please. Get in the bottoms and chase them or any other critter for that matter, and you'll eventually have to shoot more than once. Anyone that claims otherwise is really pulling your chain.

Really, an AR in 3006 is where it's at. HA!

My point was a clean shot will take one down everytime. Of course multiple shots are needed at times (runners/sounders etc)

I hunt in the bottoms weekly. Matter of fact 90% of our hunting land is thick bottom land, only a couple clearings.

My original statement was if you have a 308 AR, you won't need a Beo. That statement is 100% correct, not sure how this got sidetracked.

A TSX round is really something to behold. If I get off my lazy butt I will upload pics from two weeks ago where we shot a doe and a bobcat with a .223 TSX. Both kills left a fist size exit wound, in 308 form the TSX is pure carnage.

I know what you mean I just like to stir the pot and enjoy the debate.

You must be a lucky man then to have that much hunting available to you. Bet you're gonna have some Christmas ham tomorrow huh!

However... most of us set up our .308 ARs with high power scopes and bipods packing on all sorts of weight to reach out and touch something. I like to have my short, light, big bore with an aimpoint on top for up-close fun, so in that regard... maybe someone else can agree that there's a need for more than just the 308 AR.

Benelli R1, 20" Carbine weighs 7 #'s. Accurate, light, can be field stripped completely like an AR-10, holds zero between cleanings/strippings, 10 round magazines available (although they are pricey!).

David

I enjoy the debate! LOL

Yea, most people do have very heavy 308 AR's. 20-24 inch barrel etc and its a freaking mule to carry around.

I tried to keep mine as light as possible, its a 16 inch version.

Bottom land is a curse and a blessing. Stalking is essentially impossible right now through most of it, there is 6 inches of leaves on the ground. A freaking squirrel sounds like a train coming through.

But bottom land has the most hogs so I like that. I have to essentially hunt with feeders during the winter, or hunt the water holes and creeks.