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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
[Re: ccoker]
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10/06/10 02:34 AM
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ive hunted some highfence places, not much different than lowfence places, except the deer can get away in one and cant in the other.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 02:46 AM
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Hunted a place once that was HF'd on 3 sides. Had a lot of exotics. Everything was super wild. Most skittish whitetails I had every seen. The exotics were scared to death of anything, people atv, truck, etc.
Some friends of mine have a HF'd place in Jacksboro that around 550 acres. Everything there is almost as tame as my dog. The blackbuck and the whitetail are the only things there that are wild. The elk will literally lay down under the carport
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 02:55 AM
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I have hunted on a couple of highfenced places and I am lucky enough to be invited on one this weekend.
You can still have challenging hunts in a high fence but some of them are getting to be absurd; such as one outfit in Iowa that trucks in deer and sells 1-180"+ buck for every 30acres they have under highfence(1500ac)and each and every one of them has an ear tag in them when they are shot.
I think operations like that give the rest of us a bad name, am I going on a highfence hunt this weekend YES however I do honestly believe that their is a difference between what ever I may or may not shoot this weekend and the wild whitetail that I shot on a lowfence property.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 03:27 AM
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Id give a lot to find a hf deer lease.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 03:35 AM
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I aint hunted a high fence ranch. Its only cuz im too poor 
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 03:39 AM
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I have never shot a deer in high fence, been in plenty, they can say what they want but I assure you it ain't like hunting free range deer regardless of size of rNch been inside 100 acres to 10,000 acres and if u put in time you kind find the one you are looking for they aren't going anywhere.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 03:46 AM
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I have hunted a couple. I will say that it was no easier. On one hunt it was for a cow elk. We drove the place all day and didn't even jump one.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 03:50 AM
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I have never shot a deer in high fence, been in plenty, they can say what they want but I assure you it ain't like hunting free range deer regardless of size of rNch been inside 100 acres to 10,000 acres and if u put in time you kind find the one you are looking for they aren't going anywhere. So you never really hunted these dumb HF deer? Wanna explain the difference on why one deer (LF) is much smarter than the other deer (HF)?
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 03:53 AM
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I hunted one back in 2004 North of Bracketville. 1000acres. We killed the only 3 or 4 bucks we saw. Along with the only 2 or 3 does that were on the place. There was NO water for the deer to drink.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 04:10 AM
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I cast stones at no one and enjoy hunting of all kinds. I have low fence places 100 acres and 250 acres that I hunt and I'm happy when I can get a nice deer on them.
I also hunt exotics and most exotics come with the high fence so that's just the way it is. I'm not a rich man and when it comes to the exotics I'm sorry my biggest criteria usually is price, not type of fence or size of the operation. If my choice is between a bronze or silver medal axis on 300 acres high fence for $750 I would (and did) choose that animal over a monster gold medal animal on thousands of acres for double the price. Because I could use the difference on another hunting opportunity.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 01:24 PM
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I have never shot a deer in high fence, been in plenty, they can say what they want but I assure you it ain't like hunting free range deer regardless of size of rNch been inside 100 acres to 10,000 acres and if u put in time you kind find the one you are looking for they aren't going anywhere. man, you got it right on this one. dosne't matter a bit about brush density, being nocturnal, patterns, etc, because if you;ve got a fence thats a little taller, he's in the bag. I swear, some of the comments make it sound like all highfence places look like they are so flat you can watch your dog run away for three days. and I'm tired of hearing, "you know he's gonna be in there, so you will eventually get him" I've got a entire wall thats full of nothing because the high fence deer at my ranch are so "easy" to get. and on low fence places, with corn feeders, alfalfa blocks, game cam, he is being recorded like an al quaida leader, so how is that any different? ya'll need to understand the difference between "getting out" and "getting away"
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 01:56 PM
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There was a buck on my buddy's HF place that had incredible mass at age 3. They were all really excited to see what he turned into, but they never saw him as a 4 or 5-yr old. Figured he'd been killed. Didn't hit feeders, protein, never caught on camera or seen alive.
Showed back up at 7 and they killed him at 194.
Don't tell me they can't hide just because it's high-fenced. There was also a tagged buck that they wanted killed because he didn't meet his potential. About 12 of us hunted him all season and he was seen once for about 2 seconds and never killed. As in, no one ever harvested him. Must have died of natural causes, because he evaded the full-time, live-in manager for years.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 02:17 PM
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There was a buck on my buddy's HF place that had incredible mass at age 3. They were all really excited to see what he turned into, but they never saw him as a 4 or 5-yr old. Figured he'd been killed. Didn't hit feeders, protein, never caught on camera or seen alive.
Showed back up at 7 and they killed him at 194.
Don't tell me they can't hide just because it's high-fenced. There was also a tagged buck that they wanted killed because he didn't meet his potential. About 12 of us hunted him all season and he was seen once for about 2 seconds and never killed. As in, no one ever harvested him. Must have died of natural causes, because he evaded the full-time, live-in manager for years. in all honesty, this is the case more often than not. Out of the dozens of 5 year old deer ive passed on, hoping they'd make it one more year, i can count on one hand the ones that I saw the following year.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 02:33 PM
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ive hunted as little as a 100 acre high fence that had at least 200 animals on it. This was a doe hunt with bow for meat. 75 bucks for a doe I couldnt pas it up for some meat, Ive hunted 1000 acre heavily managed and 10,000 acre managed. Theres a difference, a 5000 acre HF ranch that heavily manages with food plots and protein is raisng cattle and these deer should be taken to show not shot. A 500 acre ranch that manages without any introduction of food or protein would be more like free ranging deer that just given age to grow. But of course totally fee range deer are truely the trophy,s. Back in the day a big buck killed was truely a trophy as it managed to evade hunters predators etc. and a hunter who killed it could be proud. Now we raise them like cattle and shoot them and gloat about it, sorry it aint the same.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 02:42 PM
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ive hunted as little as a 100 acre high fence that had at least 200 animals on it. This was a doe hunt with bow for meat. 75 bucks for a doe I couldnt pas it up for some meat, Ive hunted 1000 acre heavily managed and 10,000 acre managed. Theres a difference, a 5000 acre HF ranch that heavily manages with food plots and protein is raisng cattle and these deer should be taken to show not shot. A 500 acre ranch that manages without any introduction of food or protein would be more like free ranging deer that just given age to grow. But of course totally fee range deer are truely the trophy,s. Back in the day a big buck killed was truely a trophy as it managed to evade hunters predators etc. and a hunter who killed it could be proud. Now we raise them like cattle and shoot them and gloat about it, sorry it aint the same. wow. so basically, it's not the fence that matters, it's whether or not food is being provided for the deer? yeah, nothing like a food plot to COMPLETLEY change the game. I mean.... how can you change your odds on shooting a deer faster, than by planting some oats, which the deer can access 24 hours a day... any given time? I can't believe people think free choice protein feeders and food plots are more "unfair" than a friggen timed corn feeder.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 02:54 PM
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I have hunted both and it doesn't matter to me one way or another. If given the choice of hunting a well managed 2,000 acre lf ranch vs a 2,000 acre no-managed hf ranch, I'll go to the lf ranch. Bottom line is that I like to watch big, mature bucks in a herd that has a balanced age structure and sex ratio and couldn't care less what the fence looks like around it!
Here's a question for the B & C Club. What if brother A and brother B both inherit 5,000 acres each of a 10,000 acre ranch and the 10,000 was high-fenced. Now, each has a border fence to his other brother's 5,000 acre ranch that is a 5 strand barbed wire fence and it equals 1/4 of the perimeter of each ranch, are the deer they harvest now allowed into the book where before when the came off the original 10,000 were not???? That's an excellent question and if the answer is "yes" then any one could game the system by selling a small piece of their HF place to their BIL, say, and sticking a LF along the mutual property line.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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Speaking of the 300+ buck, how does the owner know the genetics are native Texas? Did he stock the place with breeder deer? If not, how does he know that imported stock didn't wander over from a neighbor's place before he high fenced his place?
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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a 5000 acre HF ranch that heavily manages with food plots and protein is raisng cattle and these deer should be taken to show not shot. . I'll show the hell outta them......on my wall!
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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Speaking of the 300+ buck, how does the owner know the genetics are native Texas? Did he stock the place with breeder deer? If not, how does he know that imported stock didn't wander over from a neighbor's place before he high fenced his place? thats alot of what if's. same could be said for low fence, if a bunch of native does got bred by a buck that escaped from a high fence.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 04:25 PM
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Speaking of the 300+ buck, how does the owner know the genetics are native Texas? Did he stock the place with breeder deer? If not, how does he know that imported stock didn't wander over from a neighbor's place before he high fenced his place? well being that most of TX was restocked after overhunting and screw worms you can't... But to anwser the orginal question ranch has been owned by them before the the nieghbors put up the fence, so any thing that was inside of the 4k plus acres was there all along. Its not like they just all the sudden started killing big deer, they have been killing deer pushing 200 for a long time even before the fence was put up. Per what Amos has said before.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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Never hunted a HF but can tell you that deer, even Elk can disappear on a HF for long periods of time. I was speaking with the owner of a 4 thousand acre plus HF place the other day and he was telling me that he lost his stud Elk for almost 10 months. Thought he was dead until one day he showed up by the ranch house while he was telling his dad he thought he had died. I drove around this same place last weekend and was looking for his small herd of Scimitar. These are not small animals and we never saw a one in the 24 hours I was on his ranch.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 06:17 PM
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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A trophy is a trophy to the individual no matter what anybody else says or thinks. Just hunt and have fun wherever you hunt!
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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ive hunted as little as a 100 acre high fence that had at least 200 animals on it. This was a doe hunt with bow for meat. 75 bucks for a doe I couldnt pas it up for some meat, Ive hunted 1000 acre heavily managed and 10,000 acre managed. Theres a difference, a 5000 acre HF ranch that heavily manages with food plots and protein is raisng cattle and these deer should be taken to show not shot. A 500 acre ranch that manages without any introduction of food or protein would be more like free ranging deer that just given age to grow. But of course totally fee range deer are truely the trophy,s. Back in the day a big buck killed was truely a trophy as it managed to evade hunters predators etc. and a hunter who killed it could be proud. Now we raise them like cattle and shoot them and gloat about it, sorry it aint the same. wow. so basically, it's not the fence that matters, it's whether or not food is being provided for the deer? yeah, nothing like a food plot to COMPLETLEY change the game. I mean.... how can you change your odds on shooting a deer faster, than by planting some oats, which the deer can access 24 hours a day... any given time? I can't believe people think free choice protein feeders and food plots are more "unfair" than a friggen timed corn feeder. your misunderstanding, when you fence in deer and keep them from other hunters and feed them the best and cull whats bad, your rasing them like cattle. R U not ? Tell me how this is not raising stock. Im not talking about how hard it would be to hunt one in a high fence, or wheter hunting them over a feeder or food plot is easier, im saying your raising cattle in a high fence, specially when introducing food.
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Re: who here has actually hunted on a high fence ranch?
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10/06/10 08:54 PM
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Well the "no size matters" argument is vague...
Really, all our deer are captives, they can't cross the Panama Canal, Atlantic or Pacific or Polar Ice Cap....
Surely there is something narrower than that we can visit about. Like I said, sure, some are too small to hunt and call it hunting.... but 1200 acres can be big and diverse terrain, as can 3, 4, 5000...
What about deer hunting in New Zealand? Or a Maui Axis? Both are trophies in my book.
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