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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: jrpbullrider]
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10/01/10 01:18 PM
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Other issue to consider. Let's say you pursue, find and recover your wounded deer on a neighbor's property without first getting permission.
Now let's say that the neighbor finds the blood and drag marks from his property back to yours and assumes that you must be poaching. So, of course, he calls the Game Warden to investigate.
The GW can obviously prove that you trespassed. But could he possibly make a case against you for hunting without permission? Could he make your life very difficult? Could all of this get back to the landowner that you're leasing from? Could your landowner kick you off the lease in the middle of the season?
I'd say yes to all of the above. Ain't worth the headache and hassle. Get permission first.
Mike Buda, Tx Hunt near Freer
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: dgilbert]
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10/01/10 03:42 PM
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If you can't get permission, call the GW, they do not need permission to recover wounded game. x2. I'm not the expert here, only heard that land owners cannot deny the right to recover downed game. If the landowner (neighbor) does not allow you to retrieve the game, call a game warden and you will be able to get it for sure. I am not sure if the warden has to be present, but regardless, you will be able to recover the animal even if you have to wait for the warden or law of some type to arrive. I believe this is in the hunting manual, just don't have it with me at the moment for verification. It's called something like "Right to Retrieve Game".
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: chargercody]
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10/01/10 03:52 PM
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Just call the Game Warden from the gitgo...gives you someone else to help trail up the wounded animal.
disclaimer: I would not waste their time over a doe or a hog..... (or a buck not meeting AR criteria)
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: rifleman]
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10/01/10 04:10 PM
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Some of this advice can get someone in deep trouble. Do not trespass, no deer is worth the possible charges that could be filed. Call the landowner and the GW.
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: jrpbullrider]
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10/01/10 05:26 PM
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/01/10 05:53 PM
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I agree. Best thing to do is call game warden because he can go where he wants when he wants landowner permission or not. And as rifleman says, an extra set of eyes may help too!
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: fbchunter]
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10/01/10 08:22 PM
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This issue needs to be discussed with neighboring owners and hunters prior to the season especially on small acreage lease's where this is likely to happen. Never cross a fence without prior permission
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/01/10 11:36 PM
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Call your local gw and they will come to your place and look at where you shot the deer and will ask where the deer went over the fence..They will help you recover your deer..
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/02/10 02:01 AM
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And if they won't just tell them it was a 180+ class deer. Then when they find it just say, 'dude, major ground shrinkage I guess'. 
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/02/10 04:12 AM
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Simple. dont cross the fence. call the GW. recover the deer only with the game warden with you. saves everybody a hassle.
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: jrpbullrider]
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10/03/10 12:50 PM
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The question brings to mind the previous discussion about placing stands near a fence line. This is something that is quickly becoming a common problem as leases get smaller and more expensive. Just yesterday I came across a bow hunter while squirrel hunting who had placed his stand in the very corner of his lease. His stand was in a tree that was just five feet off the property line. He evidently "assumed" that no one was hunting either of the adjacent tracts, having just leased the property. I asked him what he was going to do when he shoots a deer and it runs into either of the adjacent properties, because both landowners are going to file charges against him if they caught him crossing the fence.
If you hunt, it's always best to get to know your neighbors, especially if you're one who believes the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Otherwise, that much anticipated Opening Day may turn out to be an Opening Bust.
"When the debate is lost, insults become the tool of the loser."
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: Texas Dan]
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10/04/10 02:40 AM
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Wow, coming from Ontario where land is plentiful and hunters few(er) I find this to be quite a sad thread. Given the laws and regulations of your state, it sounds like getting permission is the thing to do, but really? Aside from obvious safety concerns, its sad that people can be that protective of borders even in as innocent a case as pursuing a wounded animal. How bout a little "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: cpwrestler]
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10/04/10 02:51 AM
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I would welcome any of my neighbors to come onto my property to recover there animal and will assist in the search if I can. Blows my mind that anyone out there would not give permission to recover a downed animal no matter how much you dislike your neighbor. Anyone that would not let someone recover an animal on there property have a reason why? If so I am curious on why you would not.
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/04/10 03:09 AM
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How bout a little "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Exactly. That's why you won't find me hunting near any fence line unless I have prior permission from the adjacent landowner to enter his/her property. Hunting is a privilege, as compared to the right of landowners to control who has access to their property. With or without hunting in the equation, if someone tells me they don't want me on their property, it's my responsibility to respect their decision. And this includes trying to avoid a situation where I am likely to loose an animal as a result of my own actions. It's important that we don't let our obsession with shooting a trophy, cloud our ability to recognize and respect the rights of landowners.
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: Atlas]
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10/04/10 03:23 AM
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I would get permission from the land owner
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/04/10 01:28 PM
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Also....(I believe) If the GW is called to recover the game, on a neighbors place, it is not necessarily the hunter's (on the other side of the fence), unless the LO where the deer died/found decides to give it to the shooter, across the fence. Moral....Shoot small bucks near fence lines.  If a buck (BIG B&C ##) crosses the fence....It can be kept by the LO that finds it.
"If age structure is deemed to be valuable to management,...What percentage change in age structure or condition does TPWD recognize that it needs to detect in order to trigger a regulatory change?  TPWD
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/04/10 03:55 PM
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The law is if you cross a fenceline with out permission it is trespassing, you have to ask permission from the land owner or agent. Even if the Game Warden is called the land owner can deny permission of retrieval of game. If he doesn't allow the retrievel you will not be punished of wasting game you tried, the Game Warden can not go and get your deer for you unless the landowner allows it.
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: FowledUp]
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10/05/10 05:56 PM
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I would welcome any of my neighbors to come onto my property to recover there animal and will assist in the search if I can. Blows my mind that anyone out there would not give permission to recover a downed animal no matter how much you dislike your neighbor. Anyone that would not let someone recover an animal on there property have a reason why? If so I am curious on why you would not. Because there are some people out there that will put a stand near a fence line and shoot across property lines. I've even talked to ranchers who have had people "Cut" or open up their high fenced property lines to allow deer to leave the high fence property. (High fences are expensive and so is managing their herd on their land).
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: Dacotua]
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10/05/10 06:08 PM
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I would contact the landowner. Were lucky to be friends with the ranch owner next to us and on the other side of us is a Dairy farm. Now down to are east was a group of guys that would set their stand right on the fence line that we didn't care for and we caught them once just slaughtering the turkey population. There were feathers everywhere. Contacted game warden but never heard what took place. They are no longer around thank goodness.
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/05/10 07:24 PM
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After reading this thread, it occurred to me that in the 20 years since Granddad passed, no one had really spoken to the adjacent landowners around our property. No one in the family hunts with anything less powerful than a .270, and we've never had an issue with any crossing a fence, so it never occurred to us. But for the first time in 30 years, I will be using a bow. So I just called both landowners whose property a wounded animal might go on to from ours.
Both of them appreciated the call very much and said I am welcome to retrieve any wounded game on their place as long as I call first. They both mentioned that it was just as likely that one of their hunters could have a deer come onto our property, so they were glad I called and we agreed to a simple phone call before crossing fences.
I can't count the hours per year I spend practicing, gearing up, at the range, caring for equipment, scouting, etc., nor the dollars I spend each year to make sure my hunt goes just right and that I'm prepared for every possible situation. So this 5 minutes and a couple cell-phone calls just made all the sense in the world.
Come Friday I intend to see if the rest of the preparation has paid off...:)
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: J.R.]
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10/05/10 08:15 PM
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You done good. It's kinda scary to think that almost all of our neighbors have changed at least once in the last twenty years. Things are sooooooooo different today. Years ago I would meet and talk to most neighbors almost weekly. Now I'm lucky to even know them for most live 100 miles or more away from here.
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/05/10 08:28 PM
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Obviously, based on the above, the answer is to keep a fake game warden's uniform and badge on your place and slip it on if you need to go onto your neighbor's place!
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: postoak]
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10/05/10 09:10 PM
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Obviously, based on the above, the answer is to keep a fake game warden's uniform and badge on your place and slip it on if you need to go onto your neighbor's place! Why not keep a fake bigfoot suit handy. They're obviously bullet proof and virtually invisible to all known types of cameras. Seriously though, permission is the only way to go. I have been on both sides of the issue and never had a problem.
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
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10/05/10 09:18 PM
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After reading this thread, it occurred to me that in the 20 years since Granddad passed, no one had really spoken to the adjacent landowners around our property. No one in the family hunts with anything less powerful than a .270, and we've never had an issue with any crossing a fence, so it never occurred to us. But for the first time in 30 years, I will be using a bow. So I just called both landowners whose property a wounded animal might go on to from ours.
Both of them appreciated the call very much and said I am welcome to retrieve any wounded game on their place as long as I call first. They both mentioned that it was just as likely that one of their hunters could have a deer come onto our property, so they were glad I called and we agreed to a simple phone call before crossing fences.
I can't count the hours per year I spend practicing, gearing up, at the range, caring for equipment, scouting, etc., nor the dollars I spend each year to make sure my hunt goes just right and that I'm prepared for every possible situation. So this 5 minutes and a couple cell-phone calls just made all the sense in the world.
Come Friday I intend to see if the rest of the preparation has paid off...:) Great post. Now let's take up the frequent case where the landowner is not present or is difficult to reach. Land that is being leased by timber companies falls into this category does it not? It would seem obvious that in such cases, communication between the hunters who lease adjoining properties is a must. But how often does it actually happen?
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Re: Following Wounded Game over a fenceline
[Re: Texas Dan]
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10/05/10 10:08 PM
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Glad I read this thread. Reminded me that I have a new neighbor I need to hash this out with before the season starts.
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