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 Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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Just fuel your hate for .22 cal deer hunting a little more. I have killed more deer than I can count with my 22 Hornet 13. gr./LilGun and a 35gr -VMAX bullet. (always head or rocker joint.. Not one, has ever gone more than 2 ft. strait down....
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My dad loves to tell a story about shooting a buck with a 218 Bee (long time ago!) He had pulled into a gas station and this guy comes over and asks what he shot it with, when he responded "218 Bee" they guy said "you can't kill deer with that" my dad grabbed the horns and shook them side to side (headshot) and told the guy "tell that to the deer"
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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Just fuel your hate for .22 cal deer hunting a little more. I have killed more deer than I can count with my 22 Hornet 13. gr./LilGun and a 35gr -VMAX bullet. (always head or rocker joint.. Not one, has ever gone more than 2 ft. strait down.... Why not just use a .177 cal air rifle then? This is rediculous. Why use a cartridge that is named "Varmiter" on deer? It makes no sense to me. I have a .22-250 and really enjoy shooting it, but it stays home when I'm going deer hunting. "Always show up with enough gun" holds true in so many instances, and this is one of them. I am not calling anyone a liar to the fact that they have killed deer with the cartridge. I am just saying I think it is foolish to rely totally on shot placement. When there are more deer cartridges available than you can shake a stick at.
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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Rimfire calibers are illegal in Texas sir...
I totaly understand your point, "bring enough gun".. However I've seen a lot more wounded deer shoot with 7remmag on up than I have with smaller callibers. People just shoot them (smaller cal.) better..
I'm not saying it's for everyone....
In my case during a cull hunt I might shoot 5-10 deer in one afternoon. I like a precise shot in the ear hole, between the eyes, or back of the head.
I have the range of rifles covered, from my Hornet to 338Rem. UltraMag. 25+ calibers in between...they all have their place.
From a handloaders' perspective I'm conserving powder and lead
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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08/02/10 07:27 PM
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Don't be a girlie/man! Use a 270-280-3006 and get the job done.
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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Hey if you have to burn 50+ grn. of powder to make you feel like a man then get after it..!
I for one like knowing I didn't have to use a howitzer to kill a lil-ole Texas whitetail.
To be honest, my favorie gun in the safe right now is my 7mm STW. But there's no challange in that unless they're 400+ yards out. ;-}
Quit wasting meat, get a gun you can shoot less than minute of angle with, at various ranges, any rest, any temp.
Practice a lot! not only from the bench, try real world off-hand, fence post, tree limbs, ect.
I bet you will track less deer, hogs, and waste less meat..
Do what you must, just know the Hornet and all of the other .22 cal. guns in my safe will be out again this year cleanly killing everything I pull the trigger on...
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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08/02/10 09:03 PM
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i know abunch of old timers that hunt with 22-250 and .223 and they have more deer dropped in there tracks then my well place shots aith my .270. and i get told by alot of ppl that my .270 aith a 150 gr is too big fot tx deer
this aint the wild west you cant clean up the streets with a gun, but sometimes it is needed.....
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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08/02/10 09:16 PM
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Rimfire calibers are illegal in Texas sir...
I totaly understand your point, "bring enough gun".. However I've seen a lot more wounded deer shoot with 7remmag on up than I have with smaller callibers. People just shoot them (smaller cal.) better..
I'm not saying it's for everyone....
In my case during a cull hunt I might shoot 5-10 deer in one afternoon. I like a precise shot in the ear hole, between the eyes, or back of the head.
I have the range of rifles covered, from my Hornet to 338Rem. UltraMag. 25+ calibers in between...they all have their place.
From a handloaders' perspective I'm conserving powder and lead
:-) I know rimfires are illegal why tell me that?  to the powder and lead argument. I did the math last month when I returned from prairie dog shooting with a .22-250 it goes like this. .22-250 $0.36 per shot that's once fired brass, LR primer, 36.0 gr. H-Varget, 55gr. SGK .308 $0.42 per shot that's once fired brass, LR primer, 44.0 gr. H-Varget, 165 gr. SGK That's why I call to the powder and lead argument. People just shoot the smaller caliber better? Tell that to hmmmm, palma match shooters, United States Military Snipers, Wimbelton Cup competitors, and the list goes on.
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 Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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08/02/10 10:13 PM
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It's fun to get you "6mm+ guys" all fired up.  On your "bs" powder thing --- I'm an Aggie so maybe I'm just better @ math..... the powder argument.. I can load 538 rounds or Hornet as compaired to 158 of your "44gr" load per # of powder.. Argument FAIL  Yea I know, about the military sinpers ect... my older brother was a Marine Sinper for 8years (Sgt/ret.), also taught classes @ Quanaco Va. and Bushmaster school on Iwo.. So for 1000m fun/practice I shoot 7mm, 30 ect... It's a challaging thing to ME, to know I need to take the perfect shot, in the perfect place, there is no margin for error in my deer harvesting.. In 20 years of hunting with these "too small" .22's ,I have Never lost a deer, come to think of it the only deer I have ever tracked have been shot with my bow. 
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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08/02/10 10:27 PM
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Thank your brother for me for his service.
On another note....I can't count how many does I have killed on MLD permits with a 22-250, but its a lot in fact one weekend was over 40. i'm not a sniper by any means, in texas how many deer are shot at 100 yards or under... probley almost 99 percent. A bad shot with a 22-250 is no different then a bad shot with a 300mag. Find guys that are true trackers using dogs.. not the weekend "I have a blood trailing dog" and ask them what they see as far as wounded deer via calibers. The more comfortable someone feels with their rifle because of how accurate they are with it.. the cleaner their shots will be. As a hunter we should push what ever caliber someone feels the most comfortable and accurate shooting... and no the largest they can handle.
I know soem old time ranchers that use a 222 and probley smoked more deer then the average guy sees in a life time.
my kid will start with a great set of ear plugs/muffs and a 222
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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08/02/10 10:32 PM
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Klongone: I don't think anyone disputes that deer are easy to kill and almost any cartridge will work under the right circumstances.
No doubt your Hornet works well when you can wait for the "perfect shot, in the perfect place, there is no margin for error"
But the OP was asking about a low recoilng rifle for a child.
Surely you would not recommend a minimal cartridge using a bullet designed for varmints as a general deer rifle for a child, who very likely will not make a "perfect shot, in the perfect place, with no margin for error"
22-250's with varmint bullets work well on deer when the shot presentation is right. 22-250's with deer bullets work well on most deer, most of the time. I prefer to use a cartridge/bullet combo that will work when conditions are not perfect.
When one is culling lots of does, one can afford to wait for the perfect shot.
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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08/03/10 12:07 AM
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Klongone: I don't think anyone disputes that deer are easy to kill and almost any cartridge will work under the right circumstances.
No doubt your Hornet works well when you can wait for the "perfect shot, in the perfect place, there is no margin for error"
But the OP was asking about a low recoilng rifle for a child.
Surely you would not recommend a minimal cartridge using a bullet designed for varmints as a general deer rifle for a child, who very likely will not make a "perfect shot, in the perfect place, with no margin for error"
22-250's with varmint bullets work well on deer when the shot presentation is right. 22-250's with deer bullets work well on most deer, most of the time. I prefer to use a cartridge/bullet combo that will work when conditions are not perfect.
When one is culling lots of does, one can afford to wait for the perfect shot. What he said too. By the way look again at the title "6.8spc, .243, or .22-250 for deer" I don't see .22 Hornet in there anywhere. Therefore I was comparing what was originally posted, the .22-250 So no FAIL
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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[quote=Klongone]This is rediculous. Why use a cartridge that is named "Varmiter" on deer? It makes no sense to me. I have a .22-250 and really enjoy shooting it, but it stays home when I'm going deer hunting. I use mine for cull and doe hunting. I would never take it out trophy hunting and everything would have to be just right for me to attempt a shot at anything I would want to put on the wall. that said, I've killed alot of deer with a .22-250
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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Well my stand is 50 yards from the feeder and I sometimes feel inferior with my 600 Nitro Express, I cant wait to get the 700 Nitro on some of these white tails to make sure they are DRT...
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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Well my stand is 50 yards from the feeder and I sometimes feel inferior with my 600 Nitro Express, I cant wait to get the 700 Nitro on some of these white tails to make sure they are DRT...
Seriously not trying to sway from the question @ hand so my fault... I went  so answer to the question if I had to choose one for anyone else but me, out of the calibers listed it would be .243 I digress...
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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 Have I seen this before????????
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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 Deer should not be hunted with a .22 caliber bullet. There I said it. Hate me if you want to, I'll still own what I said. .243 or larger for deer. Yeah, it may be dead, but 100-300 yards from where you shot it. It may jump fences, find some brush, and die a slow death. Not very ethical in my mind, but my opinion is like a butt hole, every one has one. If you are a grown man, there is no reason for you to be shooting a .22-250 for deer. Any man should be able to take the recoil of at least a .243. Just more ethical in my mind and is fair to the animal. .22-250 is good for varmints, but not deer, in my opinion. Too small of a bullet and shooting to fast for a fair, ethical kill shot...Now all the .22-250, shot placement people on here go ahead and ridicule me for what I just said. It is going to happen, so have at it. Shot placement is the key to taking any type of game. I have killed deer with .223s to 7mm mags. They all died because I shot them in the proper place. Practice with what you hunt with often. It builds confidence in you and your gun.
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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I think it is hilarious how many guys say something along the lines of....."yeah, you don't need that big ol' .270 to kill a deer. I just shoot 'em with my trusty .223 (because I'm apparently too much of a weenie to shoot something with any amount of recoil). Yep.....every time, BANG, FLOP.....they don't run at all"
Yet nearly all of them fail to mention that THEY SHOT THEM IN THE @*?!&%# HEAD!!! OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T RUN!!! You can kill a deer with a sling shot if you hit it in the head hard enough. I shoot deer in the head with small calibers too, but NEVER in the chest. I worry about people reading this crap and then going out with a .223 and shooting a 180 lb. buck in the shoulder with some 55 gr. varmint bullet. Guess what.....you're not going to find that deer. He may die, he may live.....just kinda depends, but if he dies it will be from infection and likely take days, or even weeks, and he will suffer tremendously.
So if you're shooting deer in the head with a .223 (like myself).....GREAT, that's perfectly fine. Just make sure you tell people you're shooting them IN THE HEAD (or neck). Please don't encourage chest shots with .22 calibers. The last thing we need is an entire population of "recoil weenies" running around the woods tossing 40 gr. ballistic tips at deer because they read on some forum that it was okay. The ABSOLUTE MINIMUM caliber for shooting any deer in the chest should be a .243.....
Sorry for the rant.....I guess I'm done now. lol
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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I have never shot a deer in the head nor anyone i know. A 22-250 is more then enough to kill a texas deer. For all of you haters, how many deer have you shot and not killed with a 22-250? I dont want to hear your opinion, I want your first hand story. The thread also isnt about a .223. 6.8, 243 or 22-250
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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I've killed a few with the 22-250. Also the 225Win, and the 223. Yes, they will work. they work better with the right bullets. Yes, they can and will fail if you try to make the bullet do more than it was designed to do.
At the risk of repeating myself, if you are willing to pass up some shots and only shoot when conditions are right, you will kill deer consistently.
If you were going on on high dollar trophy hunt, would you chose a 22-250 as your weapon of choice?
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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I guess I should clarify why im saying the 22-250 works for me and my friends. We have stands with feeders no more then 75 yards away so every shot I take is under 100 yards. Now if I were to go somewhere where a 200+ yard shot was going to happen no I would not choose my 22-250. So the argument stands if you are going to be taking over 200 yard (IMO) shots no I would not choose the 22-250 but like I said around here its so thick we dont have to take long shots and the 22-250 is more then enough
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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Yes i would use my 22-250 for a high dollar hunt. i am very confident with mine. can shoot it very accurately, one of my best and heaviest south texas buck fell at 275 yards 185lbs. field dressed 172 b&c typical. one shot with barnes tsx's. plus several more, all one shot and none walked more than 5 yards. two of my other hunting buddies also use 224 calibers for everything from deer to hogs here in texas. One a 22-250 ai, the other a 22-6mm which he has taken deer at over 300 yards also with tsx's.That's all you need here unless you are nilgai hunting.
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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Yep.....every time, BANG, FLOP.....they don't run at all"
Yet nearly all of them fail to mention that THEY SHOT THEM IN THE @*?!&%# HEAD!!! OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T RUN!!! You can kill a deer with a sling shot if you hit it in the head hard enough. l I think thats the most left out part of the .22 vs. heavier caliber debate. I'd never intentionally shoot a deer in the body with a .22-250. I've had to do in on three occasions, two it worked out fine, the third it did not.
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Re: 6.8 spc or .243 or .22-250 for deer
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I have never shot a deer in the head nor anyone i know. A 22-250 is more then enough to kill a texas deer. For all of you haters, how many deer have you shot and not killed with a 22-250? I dont want to hear your opinion, I want your first hand story. The thread also isnt about a .223. 6.8, 243 or 22-250 Add to that: Who has put the bullet where it's supposed to go and lost a deer? I can tell you from growing up in South Texas, that a LOT of old timers use the 22-250, 222/223, 243 and 25-06 for deer, the old school guys that know how to shoot and will pass on the shot if it isn't right.. and most of those guys don't hunt over a feeder at 100 yards...
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I think it is hilarious how many guys say something along the lines of....."yeah, you don't need that big ol' .270 to kill a deer. I just shoot 'em with my trusty .223 (because I'm apparently too much of a weenie to shoot something with any amount of recoil). Yep.....every time, BANG, FLOP.....they don't run at all"
Yet nearly all of them fail to mention that THEY SHOT THEM IN THE @*?!&%# HEAD!!! OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T RUN!!! You can kill a deer with a sling shot if you hit it in the head hard enough. I shoot deer in the head with small calibers too, but NEVER in the chest. I worry about people reading this crap and then going out with a .223 and shooting a 180 lb. buck in the shoulder with some 55 gr. varmint bullet. Guess what.....you're not going to find that deer. He may die, he may live.....just kinda depends, but if he dies it will be from infection and likely take days, or even weeks, and he will suffer tremendously.
So if you're shooting deer in the head with a .223 (like myself).....GREAT, that's perfectly fine. Just make sure you tell people you're shooting them IN THE HEAD (or neck). Please don't encourage chest shots with .22 calibers. The last thing we need is an entire population of "recoil weenies" running around the woods tossing 40 gr. ballistic tips at deer because they read on some forum that it was okay. The ABSOLUTE MINIMUM caliber for shooting any deer in the chest should be a .243.....
Sorry for the rant.....I guess I'm done now. lol What he said. I won't take my trusty and proven .22-250 to hunt deer in central Texas because of this. My stands allow me to take shots well beyond 100 yards. If the buck of a lifetime walks out, I don't want to HAVE to make a head shot and screw up a mount when I could've brought my .308, made a thoracic shot and saved a trophy mount.
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