Looking for a started lab or puppy. Thanks

Iron spike labs on here has a new litter. Pups or started.

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I would contact Angie at Tioga Retrievers. She breeds a quality dog. If she doesn't have what your looking for she will send you in the right direction to find the right dog or puppy for you.

http://www.tiogaretrievers.com/

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X 3 or 4 or 5 on Iron Spike. Boss got a puppy 2 weeks ago from Dawn and the puppy is great. I also called Angie while looking for this puppy and I was not impressed by her or her info.
Dawn asnswered all questions before and after the sale. She is always happy to help even here on the forum.

I have black and yellow lab pups for sale
www.CrumplerKennels.com

I would check with Angie at Tioga Retrievers. She typically is MORE than willing to answer questions. It depends on what your looking for....

Do your homework and find what fits best for you...

You can also try these sites in the classifieds section..

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/
http://www.dancindogproductions.com/

entryexpress.net in the classifieds under started dogs..Hundreds from around the states....

Really incredible to me how many of you guys are shilling for Iron Spike.

I know nothing about them, but they do have a nice slick website. But none of their dogs appear to have done ANYTHING noteworthy in hunt tests or field trials.

So you guys say the dogs are great.....compared to what? What is your basis for saying that?

$800 for "gun dog" pups out of non-titled parents are overpriced, in my view.

No mention of EIC, CNM, OFA Hips/Elbows, etc.

Give me a break.

I am so glad someone said this.....I was thinking the exact same thing. I couldn't agree more....

She does mention some of the health clearannces if you look close enough. Although EIC she states is "clear" of her bloodline but I don't think she has tested for it....unless she has done that recently.....

I had a guy from another board call me looking for some advice about finding a trainer in Texas. The guy paid $1,500 for a dog whose Sire was a JUNIOR HUNTER, and the Dam was a SENIOR HUNTER.

Incredible how gullible some people can be.

Here are three litters that I found on EntryExpress.net classifieds. They are essentially the same price as the $800 "gun dog" pups that IronSpike is selling. Frankly, there is absolutely no comparison. See for yourself:


Texas 4/13/2010 2:20:51 PM CST
FC AFC Land Ahoy puppies; Chocolate-factored Black Males available."Pirate" is 2009 High Point Open Dog with 88 all-age points to date. FC AFC at 3 yrs w/ 32 Derby points. OFA Good; Eyes clear; CNM clear & EIC clear. Dam is My First Remington of Garden Ridge JH "Remi" goes back to NFC Storm's Riptide Star. She is hard going & tractable, an excellent marker, experienced & focused duck hunting dog who is quiet in the blind. No whining! Will be running higher stakes after litter. Remi is OFA Excellent; Elbows normal; Eyes clear & EIC clear. Puppies EIC clear by parentage. Puppies born 4-12-10 so ready in mid-June $800.00
Anna Lord 210-887-4254 or 830-980-3856
alord8@satx.rr.com


Texas 3/31/2010 9:46:14 AM CST
(TX) FC Trumarc’s Costalotmore X HRCH Zip Code’s Amber Alert MH--- Litter Due April 7, 2010. ***Morey*** (FC AFC Code Blue X FC AFC Trumarc’s Lean Cuisine). To Date the Cody/ Kweezy breeding has produced 6 titled offspring and Kweezy has 6 titled siblings. Cody has produced 23 titled offspring and has 2 titled siblings. **Morey** is owned by Marc Rosenblum and is trained and campaigned by Danny Farmer. Between Marc and Danny, Morey has earned 23.5 All Age points including Morey’s Am Win. At age 5 1/2 Morey’s Hips are rated “Excellent” (LR-186209E68m NOPI) and his elbows are rated normal. Morey is EIC clear, fast, stylish, and pinpoint marker. ***Amber***(GRHRCH Go West Sylus MH X HR M.D.’s Cotton Rascal). Is owned, trained, and campaigned by her owner Chis Scheig. Amber was MH at age 2 ½ and to date has 9 Master Passes. Amber is hunted over for every game bird each season by Greg Scheig and our son. With limited Field Trial training Amber has Jammed/Reserve Jammed 3 events and made it to the 4th in several more. Amber is EIC, CNM, PRA pcrd, RD/OSD and CERF clear. Amber’s hips are OFA rated “Good” LR157126G24f-PI and normal elbows. Please see OFFA.org for more details on Health Clearances. Black Puppies yellow factored were born on April 6, 2010. 5 MALES AND 2 FEMALES $900
Christine Scheig 972-874-8861 or 214-402-4777
cescheig@verizon.net http://richlandretrievers.com

Texas 3/20/2010 4:46:18 PM CST
FC/AFC Wood River`s Franchise "Shaq" X Buckshot`s Pure Pleasure MH "Annie" Whelped 3-17-2010 4 Males 6Females Sire:FC/AFC Wood River`s Franchise "Shaq" (FC/AFC Hawkeye`s Candlewood Shadow x FC/AFC Chena River Wild Lady) AKC: SN83338504 DOB: 05-09-2001 OFA: LR-171841E63M-PI Excellent Elbow LR-EL20613M29-PI Normal CERF: LR-37070 CMN-Clear, EIC-Clear Dam: Buckshot`s Pure Pleasure MH "Annie" (CFC-CAFC Jaybar`s Picture Perfect x Buckshot`s Bada Bing) AKC:SR32354102 DOB: 12-23-2005 OFA: LR-175476G28F-PI Good Elbow LR-EL39618F28-PI Normal CERF; LR-45781 CNM-Clear Shaq has over 160 All Age Points, 14 Open Wins, 6Am Wins, 3 Open Wins, 3 Am Wins & 40 All Age Points in 2009. In 2010 Shaq already has 2 open Wins & 2 fourths and has qualified for 2010 National Open & 2010 National Am. Shaq has qualified for 11 Natoinals and was a Finalist in 07 Open & 09 Am, and has 20 Derby Points. Shaq has several offspring on 2009 Derby List, other pups have Qual Wins & numerous Qual Placements & now running All Age stakes. Annie is a beautiful black female with a great working attitude full of drive and desire, loves to hunt. She earned a Master Title at 26 months and loves to train.Annies mother is a Littermate to 5 titled FC/AFC`s. Annies first litter now 18 months with several Senior Passes, excellent markers and run very straight lines. Pups hunted this year at 14 months were wonderful. Pups will have Dew Claws Removed, Wormed, Current Vaccines, ENS, Well Socialized, Raised in home, 26 month hip & eye guarantee. $1200. Please contact Chad Gable (214) 450-8993 or cwgable@verizon.net If you are interested in very strong Linebreedings take a loo at this one! Chavez, Abe, Lean Mac See Pedigree @ http://www.gooddoginfo.com/gdc/asp/v...sp?DogNo=98862
Chad Gable (214) 450-8993
cwgable@verizon.net

I am fairly inexperienced to all the health/clearance info on labs but it does kind of make sense. Not to bash anyone but $800 for a lab with non titled parents and not as many health clearances as normal is A LITTLE OVERPRICED!!!!! Again I know nothing so dont listen to me lol but I am looking at it from the outside as someone who has no sides in this. I checked out IronSpikes website and yes it looks very professional and the labs look good.

I guess it depends on what you're looking for, a trail prospect or a hunting companion. Since they are all priced about the same the distinction gets blurred. Only one of the above is a repeat breeding while I would guess that Dawn's are mostly repeats which would tend to give me some assurance that they are to type.

I would guess that the guys that are saying the pups are great were looking for started hunting companions and found them. Because a dog is trialed doesn't guarantee anything about the litter. I run pointers and have been disapointed when I have bought pups out of field trial champs before. And now have several pups from a man who line breeds non titled Elhew dogs that are everything I want in a hunting dog. Different strokes for different folks.

The fact that you think there is "no comparison" doesn't make it true. And "Really incredible to me how many of you guys are shilling for Iron Spike" seems a little harsh. Maybe they have been impressed with her dogs and with her continual answering of questions on this forum that has impressed me. I don't have a dog in this fight as a quail hunter but you seem to be just a pinch hard on folks that you don't agree with. Only sayin.

There is no comparison between the 3 breedings above and those she is selling.



Ok, that still doesn't answer the question of "Compared to what?"

Compared to an untrained dog? Compared to another trainer who has not accomplished anything in trials or tests? Compared to another trainer who answers questions differently?

I don't have a dog in this fight either, just trying to give a dose of reality for those who are looking for dog's and only getting shills from one side of the story.

I have my dog, and am getting a pup delivered in the next 2 weeks. I know what's going on in the retriever world, and I didn't get the pup from her.

Well said. The only thing I would add is I don't like to do business with people that spend their time running other people down.

Have you ever wondered why all the pups at Iron Spikes are repeat?

It's because they own both of them. The have brood females and some male stud dogs. It literally costs them nothing to breed. Therefore, all things being equal, their pups should actually be cheaper. But actually, things aren't equal. The pedigrees of the pups aren't even in the same ballpark.

The other examples I gave you are all situations where the owner of the bitch actually paid cash money to get that stud, either frozen semen (which is much more expensive due to the artificial insemenation) or natural. Those stud fees can range $800-$3000, before procedure costs.

Now if you really want to compare....then go do some research on a particular stud and see what his offspring have done.

What I would add are the health clearances. I have seen in previous posts that Ironspike thinks that clearances are very important for the breed, but she stated in a previous thread that she doesn't EIC test her "hunting" line. That to me is ridiculous. She states that her lines are clear of EIC, but I think that is misleading because they are not tested "clear". She stated in a previous thread, also, that she doesn't test because she has never had a problem.....I just find that whole scenario a little misleading to a potential puppy buyer....

Unless in the past couple of months she has actually sent the tests off....maybe she has finally done the right thing...

phb I can't help but notice you only registered today and only posted on this thread. Are you sure your not Angie in disguise?
LOL Just joking. Welcome to the forum.

I asked her about the EIC, hips ect and she advised me that they have been cleared.

Well, you obviously have your opinions and are not going to budge. Fact is her pups seem to be going to homes that want a hunting companion and seem to be well satisfied. One last point you seem to be ignoring. Part of the cost issue if I'm not mistaken is that her pups are sold at 15 or 16 weeks and the cost includes training and thus her pups are started. The pups you point to are sold at 7 or 8 weeks with none. I like to get my pups at 8 wks but again I don't have a, well you know dog in this fight.............