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Protein feeding
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01/30/10 03:40 AM
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Just saw an interesting post on another thread about protein that got me to thinking...
What kind of protein do you feed and where do you get it? I think I'm going to give that a whirl this year
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:14 AM
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I feed, (for lack of a better word) the generic Purina 20% protein. I get it from Mumme's in Hondo. It's also available bagged at the Del Rio Feed Store.
I've used Record Rack 20% from Sutherlansd's Lumber if I'm between bulk loads. Record Rack is pretty good stuff too.
Alderman-Cave in Winters makes a good pellet.
Lyssy & Eckels in Poth make a good pellet, it just costs too much for delivery out here.
Bode's Feed had a good pellet when I was buying from him.
I use 20% mainly because that's what the customers want. If it is a wet year and the brush is good I try to go to a 17% pellet, but most of the customers don't want to do that, even in a wet year.
Beware of expecting major changes in your deer the first few years. To measure results, measure at least the width (inside/outside doesn't matter for this, just be consistent), the bases of the beams, and the beam length. You should be seeing incremental increases year after year. After you've been on it for 3 years or so you will (should) be able to see a visible difference in the bodies on the bucks as well as overall better antlers.
Then there is that age thing also. Try to let them go until they are at least 5.5 yo.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:18 AM
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Purina makes a good pellet. Depending on how much your going to use, cheaper sometimes by the truck. You can find it at most any feed store.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:24 AM
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thanks for the advice, never fed it before and thought I'd give it a try. We are on an mld, so we let the youngsters walk. I'm just thinking about helping them out a little.
Guess I'm heading to the feed store to see what they have, thanks
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:24 AM
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any thought to cotton seed??
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:40 AM
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:42 AM
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deerfeeder what are your thoughts on roasted soy bean and corn mix at 16% protien... 
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:48 AM
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well its cotton seed, not being funny. Cheaper the pellets, if you can find it, more so form a local gin
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:49 AM
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so you use it in a deer feeder?
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:49 AM
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I've never had access to it, so I can't say. But, if I'm not mistaken that is fed out of spin feeders and imo you just can't get enough out with a spin feeder to make a difference. This mixture might be the exception.
I will say I haven't heard anything really negative about it though.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:51 AM
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Nope, you can put it in the pen, or make a round bale from wire and put it in there. Has to be loose and free choice
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 04:53 AM
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I guess I need to check this stuff out. I have a pen, but plan on making it larger. It was there when I got there, about 30x30 or so. Thanks for the info
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 05:03 AM
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Although protein pellets ranging from 16 to 20% protein are often offered in free-choice feeders, people often consider other sources of protein for diet supplementation. Several sources of “alternative” protein include crop seeds such as soybeans and whole cottonseed. However, cottonseed contains a compound known as gossypol, a toxic pigment the plant naturally produces and is believed to discourage consumption by animals. Gossypol can reduce reproductive ability in some mammals when consumed at high rates. Fortunately, recent research in Texas has found that white-tailed deer are not negatively effected by whole cottonseed, even when it makes up a high percentage of a deer’s diet. http://www.buckmanager.com/2009/02/24/feeding-cottonseed-as-supplemental-white-tailed-deer-food/
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 05:17 AM
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I have read that cottonseed meal does have adverse effects on deer though.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 05:19 AM
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 05:19 AM
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 05:25 AM
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Evaluating Whole Cottonseed as a Supplemental Feed for Deer Sarah L. Bullock, David G. Hewitt, Kim C. McCuistion, Randy L. Stanko, Michael K. Dowd, Don A. Draeger, and Jimmy Rutledge An increasing number of white-tailed deer managers are looking for alternative supplements that provide the same benefits as a pelleted feedstuff. Whole cottonseed has moderate-to-high content of protein, energy, and fiber, and it may be a viable supplement for white-tailed deer. Gossypol, a toxic pigment within the cottonseed plant, reduces intake by non-target animals, but is of concern because of its ability to reduce fecundity and induce toxicosis when consumed in high amounts. Our objectives are to (1) evaluate the health and production of captive white-tailed deer on a diet of up to 50% whole cottonseed, (2) evaluate digestibility and utilization of whole cottonseed by white-tailed deer, (3) develop a regression model relating cottonseed consumption to plasma gossypol concentration in captive deer, and (4) use this captive deer regression model to determine consumption of cottonseed by wild deer by measuring their plasma gossypol levels. Preliminary data suggest overall health and production of white-tailed deer is not compromised by diets of up to 30% whole cottonseed. However, deer appeared to limit intake of diets containing 50% cottonseed. Wild-caught deer exhibited plasma gossypol concentrations indicating over 90% had eaten cottonseed. Results of this project will help managers make informed decisions about using cottonseed as a supplement for white-tailed deer. Cooperative funding was provided by the Comanche Ranch and T. Dan Friedkin. http://ckwri.tamuk.edu/fileadmin/user_up...ed_for_Deer.pdfI used to be 110% against wcs because of the gossypol issue. Other findings are starting to show that if the diet is limited to specific time periods (in other words not year around as much as they want) any potential damage works itself out. I'm only 80% against it now, but mainly because I don't feed "my" deer.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 05:47 AM
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I'm using cracked peas this year. Picking them up at a local coop for $6.50 per hundred pounds. They have 18% - 20% protein. They flow through the feeders as good if not better than pellets. Only drawback is they are not bagged so you have to use bulk bag to transport. Little more labor intensive but well worth the savings.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 02:32 PM
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I'm using cracked peas this year. Picking them up at a local coop for $6.50 per hundred pounds. They have 18% - 20% protein. They flow through the feeders as good if not better than pellets. Only drawback is they are not bagged so you have to use bulk bag to transport. Little more labor intensive but well worth the savings. Wow, that is a great price. For peas around the hill country, cheapest I have found is like 9 bucks for 50 pounds for peas.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 07:54 PM
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 08:00 PM
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There is 2 sides to the cootonseed feeding, this one against it. Many studies have been done by the likes of Texas Tech and Texas A M. There is no concrete evidence supporting either as bad or good. In the mix you will of course find the reviews against and for.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 08:06 PM
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I'm willing to give anything a try to help the herd. Since we are in an MLD area with several ranches, I'm not too worried about the young guys getting tagged before they have heavy horns. Just trying to do my part.
Gonna make a buffet for those suckers this year
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 10:23 PM
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7mag, I have come around to the point where I could see feeding it during the winter, say 2 or 3 months. I've watched bucks on top of mountains of it with no apparent ill effects.
As they say in the climate change garbage, "the science isn't settled." There is enough evidence to make me wary of gossypol and on the other hand there is enough that says it can be done without too big of a problem.
My concern now is not so much with reduced antler growth or an impact on reproduction, as it is with what does gossypol do to the fetus in mamma if you are feeding wcs during her pregnancy? Haven't found any studies on that yet.
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Re: Protein feeding
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01/30/10 10:28 PM
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There is 2 sides to the cootonseed feeding, this one against it. Many studies have been done by the likes of Texas Tech and Texas A M. There is no concrete evidence supporting either as bad or good. In the mix you will of course find the reviews against and for. Very true, I wouldn't want to test it out where I hunt though.
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