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01/17/10 09:39 PM
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I'm thinking about buying a ar15. Is 925 a good price for a bushmaster m4a3. And would there be a better choice for that price?
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/18/10 02:05 AM
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New/used? I would consider Rock River Arms for the price. MUCH better trigger and lifetime warranty.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/18/10 02:25 AM
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Yes, $925 is a fair price for a Bushmaster. We have 3 of the M4A3's in my family and love them. They shoot great and have had no problems with any of them.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/18/10 03:06 AM
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For $750 you can get a stag. Stag is actually Continental Machine (the same company that makes all the parts for Colt and Bushmaster). Other than Larue, Stag is the only AR-15 I will ever buy again.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/18/10 04:22 PM
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New/used? I would consider Rock River Arms for the price. MUCH better trigger and lifetime warranty. I have messed with a few and there is actually no noticeable difference in a Bushmaster trigger and a RRA. They are both around 6.5-7.5 pounds from the factory and have the same amount of creep. For $750 you can get a stag. Stag is actually Continental Machine (the same company that makes all the parts for Colt and Bushmaster). Other than Larue, Stag is the only AR-15 I will ever buy again. Just because CMT makes parts for Stag, Colt, Bushmaster and many more does not mean they are all the same. There are a lot of differences in Stag vs Colt or Bushy. Nothing wrong with Stag but there are quality differences. Check with Sig226fan he just got some ARs in and I think he was selling Bushys (dont remember which model) for a little sheper, if I remember correctly. Ive been building some lately that have ff quad rails and 1:7 twist chrome lined 16" barrels that will hold under MOA and will eat anything you feed them for about $850.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/18/10 08:58 PM
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New/used? I would consider Rock River Arms for the price. MUCH better trigger and lifetime warranty. I have messed with a few and there is actually no noticeable difference in a Bushmaster trigger and a RRA. They are both around 6.5-7.5 pounds from the factory and have the same amount of creep. For $750 you can get a stag. Stag is actually Continental Machine (the same company that makes all the parts for Colt and Bushmaster). Other than Larue, Stag is the only AR-15 I will ever buy again. Just because CMT makes parts for Stag, Colt, Bushmaster and many more does not mean they are all the same. There are a lot of differences in Stag vs Colt or Bushy. Nothing wrong with Stag but there are quality differences. Check with Sig226fan he just got some ARs in and I think he was selling Bushys (dont remember which model) for a little sheper, if I remember correctly. Ive been building some lately that have ff quad rails and 1:7 twist chrome lined 16" barrels that will hold under MOA and will eat anything you feed them for about $850. Except RRA come with a two stage.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/18/10 09:03 PM
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Except RRA come with a two stage. So your compareing a 2 stage with a stock single satge ?? How does that work ? Not all RRAs come with 2 stage triggers. You can make the single stage just as light and crisp as any stock RRA two stage for a lot less $$. Thats what Ive heard anyway. 
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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Except RRA come with a two stage. So your compareing a 2 stage with a stock single satge ?? How does that work ? Not all RRAs come with 2 stage triggers. You can make the single stage just as light and crisp as any stock RRA two stage for a lot less $$. Thats what Ive heard anyway. Yes, I am talking about a 2 stage verse a single stage. Yes-all RRA come with a 2 stage unless your talking about a pistol. Why would you do this when you can get a RRA with a factory 2 stage for the close to the same price as a Bushmaster with a single stage? The rifles you have handled that are RRA-where they built with aftermarket parts or factory RRA complete lowers?
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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New/used? I would consider Rock River Arms for the price. MUCH better trigger and lifetime warranty. I have messed with a few and there is actually no noticeable difference in a Bushmaster trigger and a RRA. They are both around 6.5-7.5 pounds from the factory and have the same amount of creep. For $750 you can get a stag. Stag is actually Continental Machine (the same company that makes all the parts for Colt and Bushmaster). Other than Larue, Stag is the only AR-15 I will ever buy again. Just because CMT makes parts for Stag, Colt, Bushmaster and many more does not mean they are all the same. There are a lot of differences in Stag vs Colt or Bushy. Nothing wrong with Stag but there are quality differences. Check with Sig226fan he just got some ARs in and I think he was selling Bushys (dont remember which model) for a little sheper, if I remember correctly. Ive been building some lately that have ff quad rails and 1:7 twist chrome lined 16" barrels that will hold under MOA and will eat anything you feed them for about $850. Except RRA come with a two stage. Actually no, not all RRAs come with the two stage trigger.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/18/10 09:31 PM
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Yes, I am talking about a 2 stage verse a single stage. Yes-all RRA come with a 2 stage unless your talking about a pistol. Not sure how you think compareing a single stage trigger to a 2 stage is accurate, but hey whatever.... The rifles you have handled that are RRA-where they built with aftermarket parts or factory RRA complete lowers? I have handled both.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/18/10 09:34 PM
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New/used? I would consider Rock River Arms for the price. MUCH better trigger and lifetime warranty. I have messed with a few and there is actually no noticeable difference in a Bushmaster trigger and a RRA. They are both around 6.5-7.5 pounds from the factory and have the same amount of creep. For $750 you can get a stag. Stag is actually Continental Machine (the same company that makes all the parts for Colt and Bushmaster). Other than Larue, Stag is the only AR-15 I will ever buy again. Just because CMT makes parts for Stag, Colt, Bushmaster and many more does not mean they are all the same. There are a lot of differences in Stag vs Colt or Bushy. Nothing wrong with Stag but there are quality differences. Check with Sig226fan he just got some ARs in and I think he was selling Bushys (dont remember which model) for a little sheper, if I remember correctly. Ive been building some lately that have ff quad rails and 1:7 twist chrome lined 16" barrels that will hold under MOA and will eat anything you feed them for about $850. Except RRA come with a two stage. Actually no, not all RRAs come with the two stage trigger. According to their sales department all rifles (which is what we are talking about) do.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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According to their sales department all rifles (which is what we are talking about) do.
I know 1 thing, I have seen many RRAs with a single stage trigger, and Ill leave it at that. Didnt mean to highjack your thread, but it seems to have gone that way. As for the rifles you will enjoy either and they both are of comparible quality. 
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/19/10 12:59 AM
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I know 1 thing too, I've got 3 RR's and all have single stage triggers...
Big Mac, You'll be fine with a Bushmaster, Stag, S&W, RRA of any other comparable gun in that price range. The Dept. I work for has 500+ Bushmaster M4's in the field and we've had no issues to speak of. I've put 6000+ rounds downrange with ANY problem at all, zero.
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/20/10 03:40 AM
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According to their sales department all rifles (which is what we are talking about) do.
I know 1 thing, I have seen many RRAs with a single stage trigger, and Ill leave it at that. Didnt mean to highjack your thread, but it seems to have gone that way. As for the rifles you will enjoy either and they both are of comparible quality. Well if it was a factory RRA it has a two stage trigger 100% of the time... If your Factory RRA rifle did not have a two stage you need to report your FFL to Rock River arms; because the triggers were changed out... Sorry... click any of the ar on the RRA site and you will see two stage on all of the AR's http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=213
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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01/20/10 04:19 AM
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robbf213 you might have picked up a "parts kit" / put together (as in the deal orderd a crap load of complete lowers and uppers and sold them as a complete rifle). or a 9mm rifle (9mm have a different type of trigger).   The biggest problem I'm seeing from the new wave of 15min ar smiths are taking off two stage trigger and selling them on gunbroker and ar15.com and cutting the trigger spring or change to a super light trigger spring (this is unsafe) this will improve the risk of a bad primer strike or failure to fire. This link is to show the type of crap that is out on the net. And please stay away... http://www.sargenthome.com/15_Minute_AR_Trigger_Job.htm[/img]
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"Any person who is engaged in the business of camouflaging or engraving firearms as described in this ruling must be licensed as a dealer, which includes a gunsmith, under the Gun Control Act."
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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The biggest problem I'm seeing from the new wave of 15min ar smiths are taking off two stage trigger and selling them on gunbroker and ar15.com and cutting the trigger spring or change to a super light trigger spring (this is unsafe) this will improve the risk of a bad primer strike or failure to fire. This link is to show the type of crap that is out on the net. And please stay away... http://www.sargenthome.com/15_Minute_AR_Trigger_Job.htm[/img] If your refering to me you need to slow your role and get a little better info...
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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Did I ever say anything about your ar mods? No... Have I ever slammed your trigger jobs. No... But I have seen a ton of this crap I'm a O7FFL/SOT http://www.amrarmament.com/ and with 13 year in the Marine Corps I seen a lot of Jacked up trigger jobs... Do you change out triggers(taking out two stage and sell them)? Do you cut springs Do you change out springs(to a unsafe pull) And the 15min trigger job was in reply to robbf213 post. no you....
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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Did I ever say anything about your ar mods? No... Have I ever slammed your trigger jobs. No... But I have seen a ton of this crap I'm a O7FFL/SOT http://www.amrarmament.com/ and with 13 year in the Marine Corps I seen a lot of Jacked up trigger jobs... Do you change out triggers(taking out two stage and sell them)? Do you cut springs Do you change out springs(to a unsafe pull) And the 15min trigger job was in reply to robbf213 post. no you.... Go on say it....
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Did I ever say anything about your ar mods? No... Have I ever slammed your trigger jobs. No... But I have seen a ton of this crap I'm a O7FFL/SOT http://www.amrarmament.com/ and with 13 year in the Marine Corps I seen a lot of Jacked up trigger jobs... Do you change out triggers(taking out two stage and sell them)? Do you cut springs Do you change out springs(to a unsafe pull) And the 15min trigger job was in reply to robbf213 post. no you.... I fixed it. not you.... Go on say it.... OK... Slow your Roll... 
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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Except RRA come with a two stage. So your compareing a 2 stage with a stock single satge ?? How does that work ? Not all RRAs come with 2 stage triggers. You can make the single stage just as light and crisp as any stock RRA two stage for a lot less $$. Thats what Ive heard anyway. Do you do this in your shop? Im curious as to how this is done? I think I have some spare parts sitting around and would like to see.
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So.... Do I have all my info right?
ATF issued a ruling on 1/12/09 that states:
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Re: bushmaster ar15
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So.... Do I have all my info right? Looks that way.
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