I think "still" should be "again". Not the same old Winchester...

Yes, I stand corrected. I knew that, just wasn't thinking about it at the time.

Not the same old Winchester, but that's not necessarily terrible.

They do say that the old Winchesters (way back there) might not have been as precisely made as today's computer aided manufacturing, but the bluing was superior to what is used today.

I have heard the new ones were accurate but no personal experience as I don't like Mauser style actions.

Out of the box, you can't beat a Savage for a production line gun in the accuracy department. We sell them all, set-up ad sight in all of them for customers, and I still wouldn't trade a Savage for a Remmy, Browning or whatever out of the box.... unless of course the money was right.

ALL OF THEM.....will outshoot most shooters

This month's American Rifleman has a run down on all the different incarnations of the Model 70, and the accuracy thereof.

The new Model 70's reportedly have the "Pre-1964" trigger design. However, I remember reading a review in one of the outdoor rags that claimed the accuracy is below what you can expect in other, mass-produced rifles.

Based on what I've read, Remington still seems to hold the #1 position when it comes to out-of-the-box accuracy. While I cannot provide first-hand evidence of this against Winchester, I know my Remington ADL is more accurate than my more expensive Browning.

is winchester still making rifles i was told they no longer make rifles just ammo and small products

I think the Remington 700's are the best shooters too! Most of the bench rest shooters rifles are on model 700 actions.

But those aren't "out of the box" guns. Most are custom guns. I've always heard Savage and Weatherbys were the most accurate out of the box. But, as stated above most all of them will outshoot the shooter.