But I still don't comprehend what the big deal is if a 2 year old is shot over a 5 year old. (notice I am not even talking about horns)

I'm waving the white flag....I hate ARs, I think they suck, I will never change my mind about it no matter how many deer heads I wind up with on my wall. I love to deer hunt. Trophy hunters win and if you like ARs, you win too. I will live with them and keep on a huntin'....K? I'm done arguing, not giving up or changing my stance, just done arguing, peace out...

Okay, lets start here. Do you believe that so many deer a year need to be killed to keep the herd in proper size? If so, would it not be better to kill the ones that are older and on the decline anyways? I think so, and that is what I try to do on my little place. The doe I took the other day was 5.5, isn't it better to take her than one in her prime say 2.5 or 3.5?

Come on, it is just getting fun.

And by the way, I am not a trophy hunter. Never shot anything over 100 inches. Might never, but I am having fun trying to improve the deer on my place, and keeping my freezer full.

Well okay, let me recharge my batteries and I'll do my damnedest to convince you and all the other AR lovers that ARs are the most worthless rules out there, unless you are all about the bones on top of a buck's head.....I mean does the improvement of a herd of deer really depend on the size of the antlers on a buck's head????

I can respect your opinion on what you want to achieve with no problems. I want to know the benifet that the state is trying to achieve with this implementation?

Also how often do I/you see a deer in the six to seven year range. I think the only way that would happen is to only allow hunting every five years

agree w/ jrc121 100% and im tired of seeing all the fork horn w/spots and basket 6's and 5 pointers in the meat locker when it doesnt have to be that way. in my opinon stopping this may be fighting a losing battle but maybe the AR will help, i sure hope so. oh and one other thing ive got 5 boys from 10 yrs down to 3 yrs and i dont feel bad at all for telling them that the deer is too small and to wait, it teaches them early some mngmnt tactics. they dont need to kill a basket 8 that might one day be a 160 class 10, thats shooting ourselves in the foot or one step back.

LMAO. I just really don't see why AR's bother you if you are only after meat. I just does not make sense to me. Unless you think that basket 8 is a trophy why does it bother you to not be able to kill it? I guess they don't bother me because I could care less if I ever kill a monster buck. Sure I would not mind it, but it is not the reason I hunt. I just wish there was a better way to take out the crappy deer. I am trying to take out the deer that I feel should be taken out. I am just as happy killing a doe, a real ugly buck, or a trophy buck. I just see no point in killing a baby. I get more meat off the older ones.

Antlers.....antlers........antlers.......if a hunter has a little 4 point in a processor freezer locker and it was legal and he is happy, more power to him. Who am I to say there should only be trophies hanging in there....why are they at the processor in the 1st place......to get processed TO BE EATEN.

Maybe the state see's more money from out of state hunters with bigger deer. I don't know. I just know that I like to see the deer on my place get better ever year.

That would kill lots of hunting in the state. I for one may find another place to hunt if that happened. I will hunt my property every year, I don't mind rules but I that is IMO over the line. Much rather see a lower limit. In fact I think the limit needs to be lower than it is.

Because I grew up hunting deer that made me happy. Rules weren't as strict. I'm old school. If a hunter came to camp with a basket rack 6 point and he was happy, we all celebrated. The hunting society is now getting to the point that the only reason to be happy or to congratulate a hunter is if he brings in a Boone and Crockett or Pope and Young buck.

Sorry in advance.

I thought you could not eat the antlers?

You can't eat them, hence my gripe. I can't shoot a buck with any less than a 13" spread....or a spike.

When it comes to pop control I don't think age is a factor in what gets taken out.

Not true, me and my boy where so dang happy when he shot his doe the other day. We would not have been any happier if it had been a huge 12 point. Other than bragging rights there is no difference in the fun, or excitement of it. Heck I was happy when I shot my doe last week. I was even more happy about these two does, because it was one's we where after. Being able to pick the deer and actually be able to get both of them was awesome.

LMAO, I just could not resist.

You really don't think it is better to kill the older ones than the younger ones? Honestly? The younger ones do most of the breeding, and will be around longer if no one kills them. The older ones are going to die a horrible death of starvation in a year or two anyways.

Awesome....I wished I had seen a doe to shoot since opening of rifle season. I saw 2 opening morning that were hauling butt through some trees. I've hunted every weekend since plus the week of Thanksgiving where I saw 2 bucks, a small 6 point and a nice tall 8 that was quesationable on the antler width so I cussed and let him go. That's been it so far.....but I'm not b*tching.

Curly we must have hunted with the same group of hunters when we were young. I have never critisized anybodys deer that is brought into camp. Its always a cause for celebration in my opinion.

Thank you, my dad was just as happy for me with a small 6 I took one year, as he was with the 17 1/2 8 point my brother shot this year.

We have been seeing about 4 does per hunt on average. Not many bucks, but better bucks than the previous years here. Have been getting better every year.

Doe days or over now, so can't shoot them. I used to hate the 4 doe day season they had here. Much rather this longer doe season we have now.

No different here. Never criticized anyone's deer. Always congratulated ever legal deer killed.

I can respect your opinion on what you want to achieve with no problems. I want to know the benifet that the state is trying to achieve with this implementation?



Maybe the state see's more money from out of state hunters with bigger deer. I don't know. I just know that I like to see the deer on my place get better ever year.


There you go you hit it right in the head. The TPWD does not care Squat about the herd its all about the antlers and money nothing else. The TPWD always cries about the fact that we are losing hunters in the state. Maybe they should try regulating what a leasers charge to hunt thier land (boy there would be and uproar there). For me I have seen more of my friends give up on hunting because of the increase in prices. This in turn hurts everything in my opinion. So there with that said its all about the money!

i do care if i shoot a monster buck. thats all the bucks i will shoot w/a bow anything 130class and above except for cull bucks and doe. you cant argue that its more difficult to attract, feed and hold, stalk, walk upon or whatever on a 5.5 yr old 130 class 8 or 10 than it is to do the same to a basket 6 or 8 or 1.5 or 2.5 yr old deer. theres a certain level of sportsmanship to retrieve a mature buck thats why theyre more difficult, i could limit out in 1 day on young deer and what fun is that season over in 1 day, no i dont think so. does, culls, and big bucks for meat,young ones walk on my land.

No what I am saying is you see post on here about people saying the land owners want so many does shot this season, I am sure those hunters are not just shooting older does, they are wacking any slick head that walks out.

Now when I look to shoot a doe I just go with the fattest one, if she is 2 years old, oh well.