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Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 02:50 PM
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I'm looking for information about what rifle is between a 243 & a 270. I'm looking for something a little bigger than a 243 but with less bang/kick than a 270.
I'm looking at this for my son for Christmas.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 02:54 PM
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25-06----- Love me some 25-06
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 02:55 PM
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second choice would be 7-08
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 03:17 PM
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25-06----- Love me some 25-06 +1
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 03:21 PM
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Another one for 25-06. Love mine. There is a lot of good press on this board about that round.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 04:10 PM
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If you want less noise and kick stick with a short action cases like 257 roberts, 260 remington. The recoil and noise on a 25-06 will be close to the 270. The 7mm-o8(.284) is a great choice but is actually larger than a 270 (.277)as far as bullets goes just in a shorter case.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 04:13 PM
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fowlplayr
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25-06 with 100 grain TSX or Partitions.It will still be loud, but felt recoil is about like a 243.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 04:57 PM
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I like the 257roberts, 25-06 would be next in line.
You'll get more out of a 25-06 than a 257 bob, but the 257 still has all you need to take down anything in Texas.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 05:36 PM
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IMO a 7-08 would be a good choice for the situation. Less recoil and noise than .270 with the advantage of a larger diameter and heavier bullet.
My next pick would be .257 Roberts.
IMO Using rifles of identical weight a 120 grain 25-06 has so close to the identical felt recoil of a 140 grain 7-08 I doubt anyone could tell the difference. If your going to use 100 grain or less bullitz might as well buy a .243 and be done with it.
Are you buying him a youth model?
If possible have some friends meet y'all at the range with different calibers, let him shoot them to see which one he likes best.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 06:32 PM
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Here are the calculated recoil numbers (ft-lbs) for the loads mentioned. Actual felt recoil will be impacted by factors such as stock design, weight of rifle, and recoil pads:
100gr 243 @ 2960 fps: 7.6 100gr 25/06 @ 3230fps: 10.1 120gr 25/06 @ 2990fps: 10.8 140gr 7-08 @ 2800fps: 11.2 130gr 270 @ 3060 fps: 13.4
velocities are factory published, rifle weight was 9lbs in all cases.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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11/30/09 06:34 PM
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Here is a link to Chuck Hawks recoil chart! You will notice the 25-06 and 7mm-08 and .270 are pretty much on par when it comes to recoil. You might think about using the 7mm-08 or the .270 with the reduced recoil ammo that Remington sells and then when he grows out of it he will have a full house deer round. http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htmI've used the reduced recoil ammo and out to 100 yards it's pretty much dead on with full house loads. MOD D=deer. http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/managed-Recoil.aspA 7MM-08 using managed recoil is a sweet shooter for a kid, and then you can shoot the regular load in the same gun if you want to use it when the kid won't wake up the morning of the hunt. I'm not going to mention who did this, but I know a guy that sighted in his daughters 7MM-08 with regular loads and then let his daughter use the managed recoil ammo to practice with, and when they got into the stand he loaded the real deal into the gun and when she shot a deer with it she never even noticed the change. BTW I'm in no way recommending anyone do this......Just sayin!
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/01/09 02:59 PM
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6.5x55 is easy on the shoulder...
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/01/09 03:08 PM
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I vote 260. Im using my grandfather's 260 this year while he sets me up with a new scope on my 7MM 08. The 260 seems just right to me for what the OP is describing. The 260 recoils noticeably less than 7MM 08 but is still plenty of bullet to drop a fat axis buck at over 200 yards.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/01/09 08:52 PM
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I shoot a vintage .257 Roberts
Accurate as can be, flat trajectory, low recoil.
Have to go to a gun shop to buy rounds.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/01/09 09:52 PM
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I wouldn't consider a 7-08 to be between the 243 and 270, mostly because it is an equal to the 270 in almost every way.
If I had to get in between those two rounds, I'd be looking real hard at the 260. I did in fact when I bought my 7-08. But choose the 7mm because of a broader choice of bullets in 7mm at that time. The 260 has caught up quite bit in that area since then though.
Any of the 1/4" bores would fill that gap nicely too.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/02/09 02:02 PM
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this might help relative recoil factor .243=1.25 .25-06=1.57 .270=1.82 .7mm-08=1.80
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/02/09 02:05 PM
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My vote would be for the 260 or 7mm-08!
And if you want to get a little more exotic I would say the 25WSSM!
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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#1076150
12/02/09 04:10 PM
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25-06 will be a great starter deer rifle and then can be his Predator rifle when he's older.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/02/09 04:39 PM
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IMO, the 25/06 is not just a great starter rifle, it's a great lifetime deer rifle! No need for anything bigger in Texas.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/02/09 05:13 PM
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IMO, the 25/06 is not just a great starter rifle, it's a great lifetime deer rifle! No need for anything bigger in Texas. x2 Mmmmmmmmiiiiiiiiiillllllllllliiiiiiioooooooonnnnnnnn love the 243 but the 25-06 has the ability to do so much more. I have a lot of differant rifles ranging 22-250 all the way up to 300mag. 6 foot 235lb, ex college football player. I can shoot my 300mag just as well as my 25-06... I have shot my 300 mag once in the last 3 years. Just don't see the benefit of it when 25-06 DRT any thing I hunt, and I hunt Oklahoma/Kansas border the most and those WT are well over 200lbs many pushing 300(escpecially the mulies).
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/02/09 10:29 PM
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I went thru this same excercise couple years back when I was not quite ready to hunt after rehabbing a severly surgically damaged shoulder I had been told I would never recover from. Never say never to someone as stubborn as I am ! As a 270 shooter for 40+ years I knew that the sharper quicker recoil I was familair with was related to the chamber pressure (aka bullet speed) x's bullet's weight x's the gun weight weight. I had also shot a 257 Roberts and a 243 for about 10 years each, and a wide range of other calibers including a 25/06.
2 years ago I chose a 6.5x55 Swede in a Tikka T3 as it answers every one of your concerns, from low recoil, a wide range of bullet weights exactly equal to a 270, and a world wide 100 year reputation for extrodinary killing power capable of elk, black bear & moose because of the 264 diameter's aka 6.5mm unique super long bullet shape that on average penetrates deeper than other bullets of the same design in other other calibers at much slower speeds.
While there are certainly no flys on a 25/06, IMO the calibers limitations for your application are: same chamber pressures as a 270 ='s approx same recoil in same weight guns & bullets; limited to 120 gr bullets max weight & why I chose a 257 Roberts the last time I rehabbed an unrelated bad disc until I could start back with my bigger calibers again, 25/06 also is almost impossible to find in barrel lengths shorter than 24"s for a reason - they are over bored - aka larger powder capacity than normal to generate more speed otherwise they are basically not much faster than the 85 year old 257 Roberts, and more speed equals added recoil; my experiences in the late 1960's and 1970's with a 243 convinced me that I needed heavier bullets than a 100 gr'er despite being able to write both my initials on a business card at a 100 yards accuracy wise back when I was shooting 2500-3000+ centerfire benchrest bullets a year, leading me to try a 25/06 for a couple years before settling on a 270. A 260 Remington caliber - 264 diameter or 6.5mm - is based on the same 308 case & powder capacity as a 243, 7-08 & some larger calibers & generate approx the same chamber pressures @ + 52,000 CUP or + 60,000 PSI... and recoil.
I would reccomend either the Reduced Recoil ammo in a medium weight rifle totalling scoped and loaded at about 7 1/2lbs that comes closes to FITTING PROPERLY the young shooter in a 270 or 7-08... or some of the older lower chamber pressure calibers like a 250 Savage, a 257 Roberts, my 6.5x55 Swede or a 7x57 Mauser. Even the venearable 30/30 in a Marlin 336 would make a good choice for the very same reasons and ALL of these, except the 30-30, will reliably kill Texas WTails with ease out to 250-300 yards or more in the larger calibers, with the 6.5 Swede & 7 Mauser being the best of the bunch ...and all of these have chamber pressures at about 80% of any of the 308 or 30'06 based calibers ...or about 42-45,000lbs CUP or 48,000 - 50,000 PSI. OBTW The 257 Roberts is simply a 7 Mauser case necked down to a 25 caliber when it was done commercialy in 1925.
JMHO and YMMV ...but I've been doing this since 1969 and finally decided to pay attention to what distances I kill 98% of my critters at...under 300 yards ...but I still like shoot a 300WMg in 180's at 31-3200fps ...and now have added a 1905 designed Mauser 9.3x62 at 2400 fps in 285 grain bullets capable of legally killing Cape Buffalo too ...just for funsies LOL! Ron
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/03/09 01:35 AM
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250 Savage, 260 Remington, 257 Roberts, 6.5x55 Swedish.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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12/04/09 04:14 PM
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went thourgh this recently, ended up with the 260, because it has the best bullet as far as ballistics. the 6.5 sweede is a great round, but its a long action. so is the 25-06. 257 roberts is a mid range, not a true short action. I wanted a true short action rifle, which the 260 is.
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Re: Inbetween 243 & 270
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I went thru this same excercise couple years back when I was not quite ready to hunt after rehabbing a severly surgically damaged shoulder I had been told I would never recover from. Never say never to someone as stubborn as I am ! As a 270 shooter for 40+ years I knew that the sharper quicker recoil I was familair with was related to the chamber pressure (aka bullet speed) x's bullet's weight x's the gun weight weight. I had also shot a 257 Roberts and a 243 for about 10 years each, and a wide range of other calibers including a 25/06.
2 years ago I chose a 6.5x55 Swede in a Tikka T3 as it answers every one of your concerns, from low recoil, a wide range of bullet weights exactly equal to a 270, and a world wide 100 year reputation for extrodinary killing power capable of elk, black bear & moose because of the 264 diameter's aka 6.5mm unique super long bullet shape that on average penetrates deeper than other bullets of the same design in other other calibers at much slower speeds.
While there are certainly no flys on a 25/06, IMO the calibers limitations for your application are: same chamber pressures as a 270 ='s approx same recoil in same weight guns & bullets; limited to 120 gr bullets max weight & why I chose a 257 Roberts the last time I rehabbed an unrelated bad disc until I could start back with my bigger calibers again, 25/06 also is almost impossible to find in barrel lengths shorter than 24"s for a reason - they are over bored - aka larger powder capacity than normal to generate more speed otherwise they are basically not much faster than the 85 year old 257 Roberts, and more speed equals added recoil; my experiences in the late 1960's and 1970's with a 243 convinced me that I needed heavier bullets than a 100 gr'er despite being able to write both my initials on a business card at a 100 yards accuracy wise back when I was shooting 2500-3000+ centerfire benchrest bullets a year, leading me to try a 25/06 for a couple years before settling on a 270. A 260 Remington caliber - 264 diameter or 6.5mm - is based on the same 308 case & powder capacity as a 243, 7-08 & some larger calibers & generate approx the same chamber pressures @ + 52,000 CUP or + 60,000 PSI... and recoil.
I would reccomend either the Reduced Recoil ammo in a medium weight rifle totalling scoped and loaded at about 7 1/2lbs that comes closes to FITTING PROPERLY the young shooter in a 270 or 7-08... or some of the older lower chamber pressure calibers like a 250 Savage, a 257 Roberts, my 6.5x55 Swede or a 7x57 Mauser. Even the venearable 30/30 in a Marlin 336 would make a good choice for the very same reasons and ALL of these, except the 30-30, will reliably kill Texas WTails with ease out to 250-300 yards or more in the larger calibers, with the 6.5 Swede & 7 Mauser being the best of the bunch ...and all of these have chamber pressures at about 80% of any of the 308 or 30'06 based calibers ...or about 42-45,000lbs CUP or 48,000 - 50,000 PSI. OBTW The 257 Roberts is simply a 7 Mauser case necked down to a 25 caliber when it was done commercialy in 1925.
JMHO and YMMV ...but I've been doing this since 1969 and finally decided to pay attention to what distances I kill 98% of my critters at...under 300 yards ...but I still like shoot a 300WMg in 180's at 31-3200fps ...and now have added a 1905 designed Mauser 9.3x62 at 2400 fps in 285 grain bullets capable of legally killing Cape Buffalo too ...just for funsies LOL! Ron \ This is a great post!! How old is your son and how big is he? What it boils down to is this, first do you reload? Some this ammo is hard to find and when you get it at a specialty store at a high price! I personally like the 6.5 x 55 and the 257 Roberts. The next decision is how big of game will you hunt and how far will the game be? The 257 Roberts has a very mild recoil it was a 7 Mauser necked down to 25 cal. The factory load are loaded down for the weaker actions. A 257 Roberts may be hard to find new or used. Have you considered a Knox comp stock which is a recoil reducing stock.
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