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My latest cast & coated creation 150 Gr and a mild charge of 4227.
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Coat those bright red and you can put lipstick on a pig. Errr, maybe in a pig.

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What are you coating them with, and why?


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Should microstamp the Superman "S" on the tip.


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I think its a baked powder coat on the bullets. I think it helps with lead fowling in the barrel or maybe allows you to run them faster with out deforming? confused2


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Yes...this is a cast boolit designed for powder coating. From experiments they can go a bit over 2000fps without lube and can be quite accurate.
I plan on trying them in my 30-06 and .308. I can cast and coat 100s of these for alil bit of not much. Really fun inn 300BO

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You will need to clean the barrel HEAVILY after shooting these though any rifle if you switch back to naked bullets. It will also coat the barrel when shooting. Some of the guys that I talk to that have accuracy issues had been shooting some form of coated bullets and mixing their ammo with naked bullets without cleaning. It changes the consistency inside the barrel, which leads to bad groups. If you go coated bullets, stick with it. If you want to try them, plan for a lot of cleaning to get the coatings out, and lots of fouling shots. IMO, it's not worth it. But it works for some if 100% committed.


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The people you know must be doing it wrong. I get Zero lead and Zero residue. No mess at all. They have a speed limit though.


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What? You coat a non-jacketed lead bullet with a thin paint, shoot a semi soft lead bullet down a metal tube that grips the lead and twists the bullet to spin at 200,000-250,000 rpm's, with super hot gas and 55,000+ psi pressure behind it, and you think there is zero lead and zero residue left behind. Think about that!


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I'll send you some to test if you like. I have been coating cast lead boolits for several years. It took a while to get this performance. It works well for me.


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How about John Deer Green?


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Can you put John Deere yellow stripes on those?


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Funny thing is powder coat will not mix and blend with other colors like paint. You wind up getting splotches of each color you add


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So, I guess little piggy graphics for terrorist hunting are just out of the question. frown

I guess if they shoot good, a solid color is okay.

You could load those BOs with roundnose coated bright pink, though, and they'd look just like lipstick. I wonder how many ladies would go nuts over that. You know how they are...bless their hearts.
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Blackout is an excellent choice for cast bullets. You can run them nearly full power, unlike a 308 or 30-06 that is limited to about 2/3 its potential velocity.

I've shot thousands of cast bullets through rifles with no ill effects, although mine are all gas checked.


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I've never fooled with cast for rifle calibers, but it's about all I load in handguns...some gas checked, some not. When done right, leading is not a problem whatsoever.

Powder coating hasn't been around all that long, but I keep seeing some interesting reports of success. It's intriguing on account of not having to deal with sticky lubes, but I wonder about doing 1000 at a time. Those danged colored bullets are purty, too. If I tried it, I might end up hating all the lube sizing crap I've got...that's about as bad as buying 16 pounds of a good powder that gets replaced by a spectacular powder. Maybe worse.


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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
I've never fooled with cast for rifle calibers, but it's about all I load in handguns...some gas checked, some not. When done right, leading is not a problem whatsoever.

Powder coating hasn't been around all that long, but I keep seeing some interesting reports of success. It's intriguing on account of not having to deal with sticky lubes, but I wonder about doing 1000 at a time. Those danged colored bullets are purty, too. If I tried it, I might end up hating all the lube sizing crap I've got...that's about as bad as buying 16 pounds of a good powder that gets replaced by a spectacular powder. Maybe worse.


I've kicked it around as well but never have made the plunge.


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Not the same coating but remember the Barnes XLC bullets before the days of TSX when they were using a blue photographic coating on their X bullets to reduce friction



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What mold do you use? Do you know your mv?

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http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?products_id=2757
All the info is here. If you search thru the listing to the left, it is available in up to 5 Cav alum or Brass.

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Nice, but i like tje blue ones better. Got pink? smile


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Interestingly enough I do ... A buddy wanted some pink 9mm for his wife's birthday he got her a new XD carry XDS?
and wanted her to be pretty in pink


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Blanco, according to the link, you cast, then coat, and then size, it that correct?

How important is the alloy mixture?

The standing up of each bullet before baking looks like a job for young nimble fingers. Can you lay the bullets on the side?

Does the coating completely eliminate gas checks?

I have several thousand old Magnus bullets that I bought primarily to shoot in 30-30. Can I use them with the powder coating and baking?


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My mix is BHN 17 (95% Bismuth Tin copper) and it seems to work very well. From my readings others are pushing a much softer alloy at good speeds for cast (2000+ FPS)
My guess is my mix should go 2000Fps but I am still experimenting.
Yes standing them all up and getting them in the oven can be a bear. I stand all mine on the base.
The Powder coat can eliminate SOME instances of gas checks. I cast a lot of pistol boolits and I push all of these up to 1000FPS with no issues.
You can use the Magnus boolits but again less than 2000fps and you will need to remove any lube before coating.

Some types and brands of powder work better than others. I Do the shake and bake method some use an ES gun to apply powder.

Here is the link to A LOT of reading
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I have used the powder coat quite a bit in pistol 9mm 40S&W 45ACP and 357 / 38
it handles 357 quite well. Zero leading without lube no smoke no mess and quite accurate.
I shoot a lot of pistol for pennies a round.


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Not the same coating but remember the Barnes XLC bullets before the days of TSX when they were using a blue photographic coating on their X bullets to reduce friction




Ive seen these a few times. Friction reducing... Translates to less lead fowling due to the coating I assume? Barrel will fowl with the coating but not lead?


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No fouling in the barrel if the right powder is used and cured correctly. I have HEARD that some.of the gas guns will get some gunk in the gas port? I personally have not had any issues yet.


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Not the same coating but remember the Barnes XLC bullets before the days of TSX when they were using a blue photographic coating on their X bullets to reduce friction




Ive seen these a few times. Friction reducing... Translates to less lead fowling due to the coating I assume? Barrel will fowl with the coating but not lead?



Those barnes are copper bullets, less friction, less copper fouling. The photographic film coating used supposidly burned away in the barrel from the burning powder and hot gasses


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Well you convinced me to try coated bullets. I bought the small tub of Hi-Tek powder, and picked up a toaster oven at Salvation Army for $3.78. If it doesn't work out, I'll only lose $20. I'm sure hoping to have less smoke while shooting, as in some bays the smoke gets pretty thick on a calm day.


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