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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/27/16 08:47 PM
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This thread is a good example of why I typically stay off such forums. Two guys offer the use off a range past 100 yards (hard to find in the area) Offer to set up a high dollar chronograph so you can get your speeds, and provide targets big enough to actually see where your bullet is impacting. Hang out and shoot and then have some cold beers after. Is there a chance someone might show up and find what they thought was wrong, of course, after working at a rifle range all through college I can almost guarantee 90+% of hunters don't know what their bullet does after 100 yards. So to sum it up for the simple. Free range day, good time shooting, experience most in the area cant get easily, and cold beer and fun after. Yet, all some of you can do is bitch because you think they are insulting your mindset or you might find out something you (know) to be true isn't. What a bunch of panty waist little girls. I guess we need a safe space you can all hang out in. Rant off. I'd come out, but I'll be chasing elk with my 6mm-338 dialed into mpbr. Nail meet hammer!!!
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/27/16 08:49 PM
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This thread is a good example of why I typically stay off such forums. Two guys offer the use off a range past 100 yards (hard to find in the area) Offer to set up a high dollar chronograph so you can get your speeds, and provide targets big enough to actually see where your bullet is impacting. Hang out and shoot and then have some cold beers after. Is there a chance someone might show up and find what they thought was wrong, of course, after working at a rifle range all through college I can almost guarantee 90+% of hunters don't know what their bullet does after 100 yards. So to sum it up for the simple. Free range day, good time shooting, experience most in the area cant get easily, and cold beer and fun after. Yet, all some of you can do is bitch because you think they are insulting your mindset or you might find out something you (know) to be true isn't. What a bunch of panty waist little girls. I guess we need a safe space you can all hang out in. Rant off. I'd come out, but I'll be chasing elk with my 6mm-338 dialed into mpbr. Nail meet hammer!!! Yup!!! Well said, trigger time.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/27/16 11:16 PM
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/27/16 11:36 PM
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I don't see a thing wrong with encouraging guys to verify their MPBR. I think we ought a cut JG and Chad a little slack. They've expressed willingness to take what they learn through the experience as well. This has gotten a little silly on here...if you're not interested then move along...why all the crap? These guys believe what they believe because they've put in their time, money and energy to know what they know. I think Jason was pretty clear that it wasn't meant to be anything but a fun day of shooting,ntesting/learning about your rifle/ammo/skills without anything but help coming from him...so why all the kaw ka? By the way, both of these guys help everyone on here if asked. They both have helped me multiple times.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 12:28 AM
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 12:49 AM
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This "experiment" is an opportunity for a couple of guys to stroke their egos in my prediction. In the real hunting world under real hunting conditions, the MPBR works fine for common hunting shots and no matter the outcome of said "experiment", FAR more deer will be shot from here on out with the MPBR guys over the turret spinners. I am a match shooter too, but hunting IS NOT match shooting so why try to make it that way? If someone spends the time to learn their "dope" regardless of spinning turrets or holding off, the results are the same. We have take new shooters to matches who did well using only a mil or moa reticle and never touching the turrets with shots ranging from 200-900 yds. So you're coming out then? Guess not...
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 12:50 AM
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I don't see a thing wrong with encouraging guys to verify their MPBR. I think we ought a cut JG and Chad a little slack. They've expressed willingness to take what they learn through the experience as well. This has gotten a little silly on here...if you're not interested then move along...why all the crap? These guys believe what they believe because they've put in their time, money and energy to know what they know. I think Jason was pretty clear that it wasn't meant to be anything but a fun day of shooting,ntesting/learning about your rifle/ammo/skills without anything but help coming from him...so why all the kaw ka? By the way, both of these guys help everyone on here if asked. They both have helped me multiple times. Thank you, sir.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 02:13 AM
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Absolutely!
I don't know why, either. Pick me!!! Pick me!!! I know!! Minute of deer works!!! But eventually the variables make math no worky!! No it doesn't minute of vitals work, minute of deer causes gut shots, wounds, and misses. Whomever is good to minute of vitals should have no problem showing up, firing three shots, getting center hits, and watch me applaud them talking smack on their behalf. Deer, vitals same thing. I would come if I hadn't already mapped out my 257 wby. Well Actually I might just so I can re-check velocity on creed, I think it sped up on me. Come on. First shot at 700 yards! If it's high, we'll know it sped up, adjust accordingly.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 02:39 AM
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I am confused. Seems like two experienced guys offering their time in the interest of gathering solid data in a method of rifle sighting they don't utilize. It appears they are approaching this from the most analytical unbiased position possible. It only seem logical to invite people who are experienced with said method to demonstrate it and insure the data is accurate. I have never heard of people getting pissed off over an invite to come shoot much less use it as a affront to insult someone.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 02:57 AM
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Why can't you do this with your rifles? Just reset your zero and not use holds? For the hunters/shooters who do use the MPBR method or X.X high at 100, I would like to see the results on what the differences between planned POI vs. actual POI, if there is any difference at all, with their actual hunting rifle. I, personally, sight everything in dead on at 100 yards. My idea is to almost have a focus group concept about MPBR or X.X methods and see if this method that helps shooters, confuses shooters, makes shooting out to 300 yards easy, difficult, or whatever. That's what I want to know.
Why out to 300?? Any particular reason you choose this distance Yes. The whole concept of a MPBR or a X.X high at 100 yards is to be on target at a further distance, like 200, 250, or 300 yards. If you were going to plan to shoot at 100 yards, then you would simply sight in dead on at 100 yards.
If this idea or field testing is a bad idea, then it's a bad idea. But if shooters plan to use this method, and are off target, why are they off target? I'd like to explore this why.
I finally mostly understand what y'all are trying to do. I just don't understand why you don't play with it yourselves. Hope you don't mind if I make a suggestion. It might help some of us believe it is in good faith, if y'all try it also at the shoot. I learn better by doing and it may give you an insight that you're overlooking. 300 is a good range as most cartridges have a mpbr near it (excluding the speed demons).
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 03:04 AM
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Chad and I both use the reticle, any reticle, for aiming corrections. I've seen the majority of hunters, for years, talk about aiming point on the target. I want them to aim what they think is X inches high on the target, and see what we get. No way is that nearly as beneficial to those thatbsaid they'd show up, as actually shooting it. More time behind their rifle is never bad.
Think that's the third time I've explained that.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 03:07 AM
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.....And wind never even enters the discussion.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 03:11 AM
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Now you done muddied the waters. I didn't want to mention that I hope there is "some" wind, but you brought it up.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 03:33 AM
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Only a 30% chance as of now I am trying to get a 30-06 to bring with me too. Is there any kind of head count going?
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 03:38 AM
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I was a MPBR guy. I guess, I technically still am as I haven't sighted in my new MIL scope yet. But I checked my rifles at distances I'd be shooting @ & was never shooting further than 250yds. I wasn't too concerned w/precision shooting pigs but shooting deer I wanted to be precise. I think I'll like this new style (MIL) shooting much better. I'd love to come out & watch but I'm on shift that day. Seems like everything y'all do is on C shift so I haven't been able to make it out for anything. Yet. Hope y'all have a good time & some guys learn some stuff!
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 04:14 AM
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Now you done muddied the waters. I didn't want to mention that I hope there is "some" wind, but you brought it up. Prediction - everyone will have a lot of laughs and fun and walk away with valuable info. Nice of you to host it.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 11:14 AM
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Spoke to one on the phone yesterday. Don't know for sure total, three more said they'd be there.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 02:25 PM
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I'm not a long range guy but what is being offered here seems pretty cool. The offer certainly doesn't deserve the animosity that is being generated towards knowledgeable riflemen. If it isn't for you, why cry about it? Geez Louise.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 02:50 PM
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So this response should lead us all to believe this was nothing more than a good 'ol lunch and learn session? I guess my skepticism got the best of me. No animosity here I assure you. I have much more important things to worry about than this stuff. Ok, wait! So, what's the back pedaling here? Is the method of MPBR or X.X high at 100 yards not good enough now?
My point is, most hunters who use the MPBR or X.X high at 100 is for the longer range shots 200 to 300 yards. I'll post more shortly when I have time.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 02:52 PM
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 02:55 PM
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A definite 'Maybe Attending' from me.
I'm about an inch high a 100, about 2" low at 200 and about 11" low at 300 (because that's what it says on the box). Considering my shots are less than 150 yards I've never really worried about it. But this opportunity is one I would like to take advantage of. Happy to be proven wrong and want to learn what's correct. Thanks for the opportunity.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 03:49 PM
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Please do come out.
I hope your numbers are correct! If they are not, we will find out what is. Good ole boy Judd still hasn't let me give back his wonderful Razor spotting scope. There's no reason for me to believe I can't see bullet holes in paper at 300 yards. Meaning there won't be a time delay for us driving down to see where the bullets printed.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 07:51 PM
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I most certainly don't want to re-start the battle of words here, but I have a personal example of what Chad and Fireman are referring to. I have a rifle (I'm not going to give any details and I'm not going to respond to any questions) that should shoot "about" zero at 200 yards, when sighted in "about" +1.5 inches at 100 yards, according to the manufacturers and ballistics programs. If I sight in in that way, It will shoot about +1.5 at 200. That makes no sense at all, but it's true and I have checked it half a dozen times on different ranges and different conditions.
That being said, I would love to participate, but I can't make it on Thursday. Have a great time.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 08:07 PM
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Should be a great day and a good opportunity to learn. Wish I could make it but possible not this time.
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Re: Free Range day! For the MPBR and the x.x" high at 100 yard shooters!!
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10/28/16 09:03 PM
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All I know there are way way more hunters that have the rifles set from an inch or two inches high at a 100 yards. They kill deer every year with no problems, my self being one of them. It works for the majority of hunters, I see no reason for this study. Yes your rifle may be more accurate if you dial it in, but for people hunting 100 to 300 yards it works. It makes me laugh how you two guys are the gun experts.
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