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Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 03:46 PM
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Hoytman
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Guys i have never had a supressed gun and ive noticed that alot of yall are hunting hogs and other varmits with em and im wondering if they are that quiet that u can get more rounds off at a group of hogs or just better for your hearing? Just wondering if there are any advantages worth the money for the permit and the supresser.
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 03:50 PM
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Both. I've taken up to 5 hogs at a time with a bolt gun. They hear the shots they just don't know where exactly they come from so they don't know which way to run.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 03:52 PM
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There's no permit required for a suppressor, just a $200 tax stamp.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 03:59 PM
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I run a Rem 700 AAC in 300 blk out, and my son runs a Tikka T3 Varmint in 223, both are suppressed. The main benefit I see is the much quieter report of the rifle. It does reduce the sound in the field, and does not scare off the deer, pigs, or other animals as bad. Plus, it does reduce the recoil. I would not say that the suppressor makes it any quicker for a follow up shot with a bolt gun.
A few years ago, from an elevated blind, I shot over 3 deer to take the furthest deer away when shooting suppressed. The deer heard the shot and impact of the bullet, were startled but went back to eating and were not alarmed. It will certainly reduce the report of the rifle. It will be hard for me not to hunt suppressed now. It is certainly worth it, IMO.
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09/21/16 04:22 PM
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There's no permit required for a suppressor, just a $200 tax stamp. I thought you needed a federal permit signed by a local law enforcement chief. Is all that out the window now?
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 04:23 PM
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There's no permit required for a suppressor, just a $200 tax stamp. I thought you needed a federal permit signed by a local law enforcement chief. Is all that out the window now? Never needed a permit just a $200 tax.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 04:29 PM
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How loud is a 300 blackout subsonic suppressed at a little bit of a distance? 30 yards? 100 Yards? Can you hear it at 100 yards?
It's hell eatin em live
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09/21/16 04:33 PM
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Wait a second, are you telling me you don't need an trust or anything set up and no permit from the govt to get a suppressor? I have read about people waiting for their permits to come through to get their "can"...I always assumed this was a suppressor but maybe I am wrong?
So I can go into any store that sells suppressors and get one by just paying a 200 tax in addition to the cost of the thing?
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09/21/16 04:37 PM
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Wait a second, are you telling me you don't need an trust or anything set up and no permit from the govt to get a suppressor? I have read about people waiting for their permits to come through to get their "can"...I always assumed this was a suppressor but maybe I am wrong?
So I can go into any store that sells suppressors and get one by just paying a 200 tax in addition to the cost of the thing? I think the problem here is your calling it a permit and he is calling it a tax stamp. From my understanding, no, you can not just go down pay your $200 and get a stamp.
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09/21/16 04:38 PM
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Wait a second, are you telling me you don't need an trust or anything set up and no permit from the govt to get a suppressor? I have read about people waiting for their permits to come through to get their "can"...I always assumed this was a suppressor but maybe I am wrong?
So I can go into any store that sells suppressors and get one by just paying a 200 tax in addition to the cost of the thing? There has never been a permit required to buy any NFA item. You still have to do the paperwork and apply for the stamp.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 04:40 PM
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Call it what you will the stamp acts as a permit there is an application process and you cant legally buy one till you have the stamp (acting as a permit)
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09/21/16 04:44 PM
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Call it what you will the stamp acts as a permit there is an application process and you cant legally buy one till you have the stamp (acting as a permit) I don't call a postage stamp a letter permit but whatever.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 04:44 PM
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ok, so that's where the rub is. I am looking at silencer shops website right now, and it still sounds like there is some sort of federal process, with fingerprints and all that...a process, not just laying down an extra 200 bucks as I stated.
Might have to look into this more. It would make things interesting.
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09/21/16 04:46 PM
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Call it what you will the stamp acts as a permit there is an application process and you cant legally buy one till you have the stamp (acting as a permit) I don't call a postage stamp a letter permit but whatever. You can walk down to the post office and buy a postage stamp in real time and use it also. The two are not similar. Your just being difficult.
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09/21/16 04:49 PM
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ok, so that's where the rub is. I am looking at silencer shops website right now, and it still sounds like there is some sort of federal process, with fingerprints and all that...a process, not just laying down an extra 200 bucks as I stated.
Might have to look into this more. It would make things interesting. It not difficult to get NFA items. I'd file for a NFA item than go to get my drivers license renewed.
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09/21/16 04:49 PM
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Call it what you will the stamp acts as a permit there is an application process and you cant legally buy one till you have the stamp (acting as a permit) I don't call a postage stamp a letter permit but whatever. You can walk down to the post office and buy a postage stamp in real time and use it also. The two are not similar. Your just being difficult. *** You're ***
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09/21/16 04:49 PM
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Call it what you will the stamp acts as a permit there is an application process and you cant legally buy one till you have the stamp (acting as a permit) I don't call a postage stamp a letter permit but whatever. You can walk down to the post office and buy a postage stamp in real time and use it also. The two are not similar. Your just being difficult. It's literally a stamp though.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 04:53 PM
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Right its a stamp with an application process. Once completed and obtained said stamp "permits" you to legally posses a suppressor.
It's hell eatin em live
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09/21/16 04:54 PM
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Round and around. Who'll get the last word in?
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Re: Supressed rifles
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#6461989
09/21/16 04:58 PM
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it's not quiet enough for me to consider
a friend was shooting a suppressed .308 from 400 yds away and I can hear the subdued boom
he reported the pack of 30 scattered after he shot one
the only one that would consider 'quiet' is suppressed .22
I've shot 3 hogs within 1 min using non suppressed .308
my conclusion - it depends on the pack whether they run or not after hearing the shot or the bullet hitting flesh 'whack'
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Re: Supressed rifles
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#6461995
09/21/16 05:03 PM
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As all you have received are short, not entirely helpful responses here goes.
There is not a permit or license to buy a suppressor. However, the ATF has certain hoops that you must jump through before they will approve the transfer of the item to you. Do some research and figure out how you want the item titled (in your name, in your name as trustee, etc.) Each variety of ownership has its own requirements with some overlap. Each variety also has advantages and disadvantages. Next, pay for your item and $200 tax stamp and the gun store will submit your application to the ATF. Then, wait and wait some more. Once approved, you will receive your application with a fancy stamp on it. This is when you can take possession of the item from the seller. This ponderous process is why many people offhandedly say that they are "waiting for their stamp."
After you have completed said process and legally acquired your item, that does not mean that you now have a license to buy anything you want. If you want another suppressor, or other Class III item (machine gun, short barreled rifle, etc.) you must begin the process again.
As for their value when hunting. I use one on my 308 ar and would not hunt without it. As stated above, it is much quieter than without, but it is not movie quiet unless you are shooting sub sonic (which are very slow and not well suited for most hunting). That aside, the noise reduction makes hearing protection unnecessary, confuses game as to the location of the shooter, and might not spook game in the area should you decide to wax a hog while deer hunting, for example. Finally, suppressors have mucho cool factor. I say go for it if you have the cash.
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09/21/16 05:23 PM
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I was just looking at the silencer shops wait times for stamp approvals, and the method I would easily use (corp) has had a wait time over a year!
I don't kow if this has been updated or not, may give them a call since I have a corp set up already and could easily go that route, but to wait over a year is plain silly. Even for personal stamps it looks like the wait was over 14 months. Trust appeared to be quickest at 6-7 months.
Is that normal time frames or does it seem like the webpage hadn't been updated?
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09/21/16 05:28 PM
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Most are getting their stamps back 5-6 months after your check is cashed.
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Re: Supressed rifles
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09/21/16 05:29 PM
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How do most on here register their NFA items? Personal, trust, or corp?
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09/21/16 05:48 PM
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Trust, if you do a corporation and it is sold, sued, dissolved, etc. you will have to transfer your item, pay another tax stamp and wait, or you can lose it. Trust also allows multiple people to possess the item.
Last edited by rexmitchell; 09/21/16 05:48 PM.
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