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#5875405 - 08/12/15 02:09 PM NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS
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Recently got on new low fence lease, was told lease had produced deer in the mid 160 class avg deer taken is in the 140's.I was also told that a nearby ranch had turned loose some breeder bucks years back to improve there deer genetics. The lease members had seen a couple of these deer over the last couple years and 1 buck was actually harvested 2 years ago. I was also told the deer were not regulars that were seen on ranch. Well I set up cameras at my bow hunting location on ranch in within days I had several of these breeder bucks showing up on a regular basis. I am attaching photos of these deer to get an age opinion. I also would like opinions on letting these deer walk this year so as to improve ranch genetics on low fence ranch, or is the risk of your neighbor who does not practice same management guidelines to great to chance letting a mature deer go for another year. first 4 pics drop tine buck, last pics are of a 15-16 pointer that runs with him









Opinions please

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#5875431 - 08/12/15 02:19 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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Mature. At least 5 if not 6 or 7. Both of them. How many offspring will one sire in one more year? What if he breeds a crummy doe? Trophy deer that are mature to post mature. Take your pick.

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#5875509 - 08/12/15 02:50 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: fouzman]
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Doesn't matter to me how old they are. How big is the place, I can assure you that if they are exposed to other hunters, they'll find one who'll kill them.

Based on the fact that you have mostly native genetics, you'll never really see overall improvement based on genetics.

So the question is, do you want those deer to be on your wall or someone elses, without ever having the opportunity on that particular ranch to see a deer of that quality again?
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#5875536 - 08/12/15 03:02 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: therancher]
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Originally Posted By: therancher
Doesn't matter to me how old they are. How big is the place, I can assure you that if they are exposed to other hunters, they'll find one who'll kill them.

Based on the fact that you have mostly native genetics, you'll never really see overall improvement based on genetics.

So the question is, do you want those deer to be on your wall or someone elses, without ever having the opportunity on that particular ranch to see a deer of that quality again?


I would agree with therancher. Introduction of a few breeder bucks isn't going to make much difference in the genetics of the overall herd. Even in HF conditions, the introduction of genetics required to make a significant impact is substantial. The native genetics will eventually win out, especially on a LF place.

Given the chance, I would take them.
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#5875557 - 08/12/15 03:11 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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The genetic effect would negligible. They are mature deer. I wouldn't hesitate a second if I saw one - in fact, I'd try to make it down during bow season. Consider yourself very, very lucky and get you one!

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#5875701 - 08/12/15 04:26 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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I wouldn't even think about letting either one of those deer walk if I saw them on a ranch I have permission to hunt deer on.
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#5875752 - 08/12/15 05:06 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: therancher]
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Originally Posted By: therancher
Doesn't matter to me how old they are. How big is the place, I can assure you that if they are exposed to other hunters, they'll find one who'll kill them.

Based on the fact that you have mostly native genetics, you'll never really see overall improvement based on genetics.

So the question is, do you want those deer to be on your wall or someone elses, without ever having the opportunity on that particular ranch to see a deer of that quality again?


I agree the size of the place is a factor. But I am curious. If really good deer like this get to breed for one or two more years maybe it does not improve overall genetics but would it not have the potential of those bucks siring some more offspring of their quality? We have taken bucks off of our lease that are dead ringers for their daddy. So if the property is large enough that odds are against a neighbor killing the deer, would it not increase the chances of more top end bucks down the line to let them live and breed?

First two pictures below are of a buck we are now watching and think is out of the same bloodline as the bottom deer.

And by the way to the OP, awesome deer and looks like you got on a place with much potential -


Edited by tlk (08/12/15 05:25 PM)
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#5875779 - 08/12/15 05:34 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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At home now where I can see these photos in more detail. Drops is 7-8 and the double row typical looks at least 6, to me.

As to tlk's question. I've seen your photos. You guys know mature deer. The OP said these bucks don't hang around much. I imagine they spend most of their time in the fringe areas just outside their home turf. I agree with letting them die of old age if there were enough acreage and a co-op. That doesn't sound like the case.

OP, those photos were a month ago. Would love to see them now! Pick your favorite and go after him. Both deer are OLD!

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#5875795 - 08/12/15 05:44 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: fouzman]
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
At home now where I can see these photos in more detail. Drops is 7-8 and the double row typical looks at least 6, to me.

As to tlk's question. I've seen your photos. You guys know mature deer. The OP said these bucks don't hang around much. I imagine they spend most of their time in the fringe areas just outside their home turf. I agree with letting them die of old age if there were enough acreage and a co-op. That doesn't sound like the case.

OP, those photos were a month ago. Would love to see them now! Pick your favorite and go after him. Both deer are OLD!


Yes - you are right - it is all relative. If it is a small acreage place and chances are slim to ever see these bucks again then by all means shoot them. We are in a unusual situation where we have enough property that we get little pressure from outside sources.
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#5876220 - 08/12/15 09:48 PM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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If your place is big enough put a protein feeder in the middle of it far away from the fence line trust me it helps keep deer on your place. Do not hunt that feeder at all just fill it and leave don't put a stand going to it as well just let them eat and bed down close. Those deer are mature and I would let them breed every doe they could find good luck.

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#5876388 - 08/13/15 03:56 AM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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Absolutely incredible looking bucks!! Both are mature big bodied deer that I wouldn't hesitate to shoot. I agree with the rest of the guys here that since you are on a low fence and because they are at the peak of their maturity for antler growth go ahead and take the buck of a lifetime.

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#5876451 - 08/13/15 06:09 AM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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Those are two dream bucks fully mature. I wouldn't give it a second to think about pulling the string or trigger.

Good luck this season. up
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#5876470 - 08/13/15 06:30 AM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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Both great bucks cheers

Don't let opportunity pass you by with either rifle

And welcome to the forum
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#5876588 - 08/13/15 08:11 AM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
buckbass Offline
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I appreciate the input and opinions. I also wanted to add that I lease 2000 of 12000 acre lease,and these deer will definatly be exposed to other hunters during rut for sure.The buck doe ratio is out of wack. Typically you will see 4 to 1 ratio.The ranch has put does off limits for the last 2 years and I believe ratio will be more in the neighborhood of 3 to 1 which will mean these buck will move greater distances to take care of business.I believe this will cause them to be more exposed to other hunters.

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#5876621 - 08/13/15 08:31 AM Re: NEW LEASE,AGE OPINIONS [Re: buckbass]
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How'd you/ya'll come up with the ratios? Trying to decide which method to use on our new place to estimate ratios.
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