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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/14/21 05:34 AM
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I didn’t watch the video but if that’s basically what was done then no I don’t agree with that. I’m not taking someone’s money without damn good reason and reason I can testify to. This is exactly why we have constitutional rights. You may not abuse this unconstitutional law, but others can and sometimes do. So, while we won’t assume all cops are up to no good, it’s best that nobody assumes that a few aren’t.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/14/21 05:52 AM
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I bet she's got that black eye by now, from Juan punching her in it, for getting his dope money seized
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
[Re: cleatas]
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12/14/21 11:57 AM
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I didn’t watch the video but if that’s basically what was done then no I don’t agree with that. I’m not taking someone’s money without damn good reason and reason I can testify to. I suppose if you'd simply watch the video, you'd understand why folks here are resistant to buy your position - it's what we have to go on in this thread...as you attempt to convince us laymen of the righteousness of CAV without having watched the video, you don't appear to get what has everybody fuming...if you do go see the vid and then don't agree with what happened, you will realize that you seem to be arguing against your own position...
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
[Re: cleatas]
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12/14/21 09:13 PM
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Oh, I know I was just pointing something out. Civil asset forfeiture is some b*******. That gal could have been a drug dealer, but there's a lot of people that get their money seized that are not. If They seized it and had a time limit for an investigation it wouldn't piss me off so much, but they don't and, since they are basically incentivized to take the money, they're more apt to take it. If you could walk off with somebody's $100,000 with no repercussions and you got to keep it, it would be hard to say that you aren't trying to take that money anytime you could. I don't know if I'm being real clear there but hopefully you get the point Yes, the point is this little thing called "innocent until PROVEN guilty". Civil asset forfeiture bypasses due process, trial, etc. and places the burden on the accused to recover their property. Ok so they go to jail and get a bond (which is based on several factors and not considered punishment) and come to trial and I come to trial and I bring my evidence and report which states why I did what I did and I prove they’re guilty. That's for the criminal matters. CIVIL asset forfeiture is not a criminal matter, and so the defendant does not get an attorney provided for them, etc
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/14/21 09:26 PM
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Oh, I know I was just pointing something out. Civil asset forfeiture is some b*******. That gal could have been a drug dealer, but there's a lot of people that get their money seized that are not. If They seized it and had a time limit for an investigation it wouldn't piss me off so much, but they don't and, since they are basically incentivized to take the money, they're more apt to take it. If you could walk off with somebody's $100,000 with no repercussions and you got to keep it, it would be hard to say that you aren't trying to take that money anytime you could. I don't know if I'm being real clear there but hopefully you get the point Yes, the point is this little thing called "innocent until PROVEN guilty". Civil asset forfeiture bypasses due process, trial, etc. and places the burden on the accused to recover their property. Ok so they go to jail and get a bond (which is based on several factors and not considered punishment) and come to trial and I come to trial and I bring my evidence and report which states why I did what I did and I prove they’re guilty. That's for the criminal matters. CIVIL asset forfeiture is not a criminal matter, and so the defendant does not get an attorney provided for them, etc Yep, and now they have her money so she can’t hire an attorney either. How convenient!
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
[Re: cleatas]
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12/14/21 11:45 PM
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I didn’t watch the video but if that’s basically what was done then no I don’t agree with that. I’m not taking someone’s money without damn good reason and reason I can testify to. The Same and no I haven't watched the video.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 12:56 AM
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All of y’all ignorantly voicing your opinions against these types of seizures really don’t know you [censored] from a muddy hole in the ground.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 12:58 AM
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I don't see anyone on either side of the debate ignorantly voicing their opinions...fact is your post was the very 1st ignorant post I've seen...
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 01:56 AM
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All of y’all ignorantly voicing your opinions against these types of seizures really don’t know you [censored] from a muddy hole in the ground. Wanting our constitutional rights upheld is ignorant, huh?
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 02:47 AM
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All of y’all ignorantly voicing your opinions against these types of seizures really don’t know you [censored] from a muddy hole in the ground. Have another beer!
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 02:58 AM
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All of y’all ignorantly voicing your opinions against these types of seizures really don’t know you [censored] from a muddy hole in the ground. Have another beer! Someone needs to seize his guns.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 01:19 PM
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This boils down to a simple concept: If a crime is suspected make an arrest. It's the "civil" part that becomes problematic.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 02:40 PM
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This boils down to a simple concept: If a crime is suspected make an arrest. It's the "civil" part that becomes problematic. Yep. Anytime I’ve tried to get law enforcement involved in a civil matter, they won’t have anything to do with it. But in this case, it’s game on.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 06:32 PM
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This boils down to a simple concept: If a crime is suspected make an arrest. It's the "civil" part that becomes problematic. Right. If I get stopped while carrying a large amount of cash, then arrest me, charge me with a crime, and impound the cash as evidence for the trial. Otherwise, I should hear "You're free to go, drive safely" from the LEO
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 06:56 PM
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This boils down to a simple concept: If a crime is suspected make an arrest. It's the "civil" part that becomes problematic. Right. If I get stopped while carrying a large amount of cash, then arrest me, charge me with a crime, and impound the cash as evidence for the trial. Otherwise, I should hear "You're free to go, drive safely" from the LEO Probably won't go down that way, but good luck!
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/15/21 07:27 PM
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Back when I scuba dives in Mexico, the dive master had a locked briefcase with $20,000.00 in it in case someone had to be evacuated back to the United States. He also had a letter from the bank, the air ambulance company and the hospital you would be flown to. He declared it leaving the US and on re-entry without any trouble. PS: As a diver, we were expected to write him a check, before he paid the air ambulance company. I had the check already made out except for the signature. The group I dove with made sure we did our decompression stops by the book (or stop watch) as we were the first in the water and the last out. We sometimes exceeded the limits, due to folks not understanding, ARE YOU READY to dive.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/17/21 01:44 PM
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/17/21 02:00 PM
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Again...why would somebody put this in their checked baggage?
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/17/21 08:13 PM
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Again...why would somebody put this in their checked baggage? To keep the TSA inspectors from knowing about it. There is no telling how many millions or billions of dollars that go through the baggage on airlines. The money is most likely from something illegal, she may not have even knew it was there.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/17/21 08:20 PM
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TSA inspects checked bags too! I get their calling cards in mine all the time.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/17/21 10:11 PM
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AH-OH. What’s going on here? She is still guilty of not breaking any laws. This deal makes as much sense as paying child support to a woman that got almost pregnant.
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Re: I bet it was her life savings too...
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12/17/21 10:28 PM
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AH-OH. What’s going on here? She is still guilty of not breaking any laws. This deal makes as much sense as paying child support to a woman that got almost pregnant. This is what will happen with red flag laws as well.
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