Looking to build “my last” rifle. Looking for something that will provide 1800 fps and 1000 ft-lb at 800 yards.

Using a recoil calculator, nothing beats a 6.5 creed with the 156 berger or the 147 eldm.

Im looking for a 9 lb rifle. In another rifle, 42 grains of h4250 gives me 2735fps with the 156 berger.

I have a 28 nosler and a 7 prc, but looking for a light recoiling rifle.

Thoughts?

7mm-08 Ackley Improved, you decide on barrel length. These numbers I'm giving you, I have loaded and confirmed across ten rifles now.

16", 162 gr ELD-X 2600 fps MV
20", 162 gr ELD-X 2700 fps MV
24", 162 gr ELD-X 2800 fps MV

That bullet has a G-7 of .318

See what you see.

I’d go with the 7-08 AI, as well. I don’t know anything that beats it for the recoil.

A 6mm creed running a 115 at 3000fps, will hit those #'s, and be extremely light recoiling. 6.5 prc will also do it with ease and not be much worse on the shoulder.

Long barreled 6cm or 6prc/saum/um

looks i currently have a fast barrel on a 6.5 creed. 24 inches 2735 156 berger

the high bc the 156 .347 g7 at 2735 very very slightly beats the 7-08ai at 2800 and the 162 eldx, but i may not get that with another barrel

the 6.5 prc loses on recoil unless i load it light.

what powder grain for the 6mm to hit 3000 fps? ill plug it into a calculator

the 6mm creed with the 115 berger using 41 grains of powder meets the 1800 fps but doesn’t make 1000 ft-lb at 800 yards,

it has considerably less recoil

What are the 5 and 10 mph wind drift calls on all three? 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm

I run a tipped d-tac. I guess using my own data, it's actually 3050fps. I have to use a .600 G1 bc to make the ballistics line up. Could be my 7.5 twist barrel. it's a old comp rifle weighing in at 13lbs with a brake, but it still makes me grin when I shoot it and watch the holes appear on paper. The thing just doesn't move. I haven't run a 708, but I know for a fact my 6.5 saum has less felt recoil than my 308.

All wind drifts at 800 yards. 6 creed at 3050, 5 mph is a .3 mill hold. 10 mph is a .92 hold. 6.5 saum with a 147 at 3010, 5 mph is a .14 mill. 10 mph is a .29. 7mm 162 eld-x at 2800 is .47 at 5 mph, and .95 at 10 mph. Using ballistic AE.

Need a 6.5 Creedmoor, brother.

He's not going to use a SAUM. It's going to have more recoil than he wants. It's a short mag, instead of just a short.

I bet the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 7mm-08 A.I. are the same holds. For my personal rifles, they match 5 mph wind holds. 143 gr in the 6.5 Creedmoor and 162 gr in the 7mm-08 A.I. But that's with a 24" 6.5 Creedmoor and a 16" 7mm-08 A.I. 200 fps difference in the MVs.

see below hope it readable

thats yards where it drops to 1800 fps

and yards where it drops to 1000 ft-lb

I find the 7 prc suppressed really not kicking much more than the medium calibers posted here

What happen if you put some 162’s in one?

24” 7-08 AI

166 A-tip: .332 G7 with a real world 2752 for accuracy. It’ll run faster but accuracy was my goal.

Easily shot multiple rounds by the recoil sensitive but coming in close to #15 with a Hellfire Match.


5mph 90°




This may not be your answer but it’s more information. It’s also my current darling.

I don’t understand why my wind is showing so much higher than everything you have trigger-time. Either all of yours needs a 1 in front of it or I’m doing something wrong, which is likely.

I did just change to G1 at .664 and it came down to 1.0.

That's not 5 mph at 90°

Those holds are for a higher wind speed. Check your inputs.

Equal weight rifles, same muzzle device, +60 gr of powder (7 PRC) is going to recoil more than 40 gr of powder.

Just double checked. 5 mph at 90°. Maybe my calculator sucks.

Proves, once again, that 6.5 Juddmor is the superior cartridge!

Something is still wrong.

400 yards .3
500 yards .4
600 yards .5
700 yards .6
800 yards .7

listen closely here.

Ah, there’s an offset in my calculator I’ve yet to find. 270 degrees shows .2

I'm not sure why were getting different numbers. I just ran it in Hornady 4DOF and they pretty much matched. Another huge thing to consider is how the rifle is set up. Stock geometry and material can make a big difference in recoil at your shoulder. Also, a very effective brake will take half or more of that recoil out. J.G. and I both built 300 norma's around running a 250 class bullet and they are nice to shoot. Granted they weigh twice as much, but that's only one of the factors.

How about I had a zero offset of 1.8”

Now it makes sense. Glad i don’t use it for wind.