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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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unclebubba
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I've never hunted in bear country, but I would think I'd rather have a double action revolver than single action. When tenths of a second count, a single action is SLOOOOWWWW.
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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I’ve never been
But if I were it’d recommend a Glock 20, 10mm loaded to the gills w Buffalo Bore in a chest holster
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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el Rojo
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Here's what I've done every time I've gone to grizzly/brown bear country and will continue to do so.
Remember that they can cover 10 yards in 1 second while moving in 3D and they can also be ninja quiet.
1) Check your ego. Very few of us are actually as good as we pretend to be. Seriously. 2) Be realistic with your expectations of what you actually can do. For example, most of us tend to be better served with a 9mm than a 454 Casul. 3) Practice getting off very fast, very accurate (CNS), and (eventually) multiple shots with your primary weapon. Laser trainers are excellent for this (at least shot 1) especially when combined with a charging grizzly target. This includes un-shouldering the primary weapon, loading a round, acquiring the target and getting an accurate shot off. Do multiple variants of this (including turning around to find the target) and record your time. Ultimately this will tell you what your minimum buffer zone will be in the event that you surprise a grizzly. Hard to tell the GW that you were being charged and in fear when shooting the bear 100 yards away; we're talking 10-30 yards tops before you even have a thought of needing a weapon. Don't forget to send real bullets down range using multiple targets and shot timers. You should quickly identify which part of the shooting process is taking the longest and focus on reducing that time but never put accuracy on the back burner. 4) Repeat #3 with bear spray and/or handgun and adjust accordingly (ex: holster and not sling). Don't forget to send real bullets down range using multiple targets and shot timers. You should quickly identify which part of the shooting process is taking the longest and focus on reducing that time but never put accuracy on the back burner. 5) Use purpose built ammo if using a handgun. Forget your HP or ball ammo; use Buffalo Bore hard cast or comparable. Very important to ensure that your gun will shoot it. It's all about penetration to the CNS here. 6) Just like 2 legged boogey men, grizzly are not behind every tree. Be aware and respectful but do not be overtly fearful. 7) If you have to come back to a carcass, place a few tree branches in a vertical position over the carcass. If something of size came in, the branches will likely no longer be vertical and give you a heads up. 8) Always have a weapon on you or within arms reach. Doesn't matter if you are sleeping, taking a leak, taking a dump, cleaning an animal, packing an animal, etc. Remember 10 yards in 1 second. That weapon "over there" is worthless if a situation arises. 9) Understand that they literally can go from peaceful (ex: golden retriever mode) to full-blown apex predator hell bent on your destruction in a blink of an eye. Seen this first hand and is something that I will never forget. Never underestimate their ability to take damage when they are pissed; this is why the focus on CNS. They can be dead on their feet and still maul you to death or worse before they eventually give up the ghost.
Practice, practice, practice. My target timing for #3 is 1.5 seconds with 1 shot and #4 is 2 seconds with 3 shots; all at 90% CNS hit on the first shot while wearing a 50# pack over my binocular harness while wearing a Razco holster on my chest.
What does CNS stand for?
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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unclebubba
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CNS = Central Nervous System
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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ntxtrapper
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I've never hunted in bear country, but I would think I'd rather have a double action revolver than single action. When tenths of a second count, a single action is SLOOOOWWWW. Cocking the hammer is part of my drawing process. Either one is more reliable than an auto pistol though. I've had one malfunction in a bad situation and don't need that complication in a bad bear encounter.
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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Wytex,
It would be a self guided DIY hunt with my 18 year old son.
To the others,
My experience with big bore revolvers is once I get off the first shot it’s hard to follow up quickly with much accuracy. I can shoot my 40 or a 10 mm Glock much more accurately with speed. But as trapper pointed out, you do have the risk of a stove pipe jam. I guess if it’s your time to go, it’s your time to go.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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el Rojo
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CNS = Central Nervous System Thanks
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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When on my coastal Alaskan moose hunt, I felt like we broke every rule in the book for brown bear avoidance. The mess tent was 10yds from our sleeping tents. They kept food in a plastic tote. When I killed my moose, they packed the meat back and literally laid it 10 yds from the guides tent under a layer of fresh evergreen branches with a sort of trip wire fence that was rigged to make noise if a bear went through it. There wasn’t anything they did that I felt was intentionally trying to deter a bear encounter, aside from putting the food in a tote with the lid closed.
I asked about this “lack of concern”. Their rationale was they had a better chance of preventing the bear from walking off with camp food, harvested meat, or the skull/antlers if it were close by, than if it were far away. Their mentality was not preventing the encounter but preventing the pillaging. No matter how high you put something in a tree, they can get it, so what’s the point. Bears are gonna do what bears do, more or less. I have seen this mentality almost exclusively by Alaskans. Never seen or heard it in the lower 48.
It wouldn’t be my approach but…..it’s theirs and has been for decades.
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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don k
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When on my coastal Alaskan moose hunt, I felt like we broke every rule in the book for brown bear avoidance. The mess tent was 10yds from our sleeping tents. They kept food in a plastic tote. When I killed my moose, they packed the meat back and literally laid it 10 yds from the guides tent under a layer of fresh evergreen branches with a sort of trip wire fence that was rigged to make noise if a bear went through it. There wasn’t anything they did that I felt was intentionally trying to deter a bear encounter, aside from putting the food in a tote with the lid closed.
I asked about this “lack of concern”. Their rationale was they had a better chance of preventing the bear from walking off with camp food, harvested meat, or the skull/antlers if it were close by, than if it were far away. Their mentality was not preventing the encounter but preventing the pillaging. No matter how high you put something in a tree, they can get it, so what’s the point. Bears are gonna do what bears do, more or less. I have seen this mentality almost exclusively by Alaskans. Never seen or heard it in the lower 48.
It wouldn’t be my approach but…..it’s theirs and has been for decades. I never thought about it that way, but it makes sense. That is unless humans taste like chicken and that is what bears like.
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Re: Hunting in Grizzly Country
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I’ve never been
But if I were it’d recommend a Glock 20, 10mm loaded to the gills w Buffalo Bore in a chest holster
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