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 Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 01:36 AM
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100gr nosler accubond is perfection in the Grendel If only that bullet existed ! My bad 100gr partition is what I’ve been using for years
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 03:19 AM
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16” barrel you can shoot 123gr without concern inside of 200 yards
I thought maybe you went shorter than that
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 05:24 AM
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He was asking why I’d use that bullet (the SST) if it wouldn’t shoot well. I thought it an odd question because I expect to be able to work up a good load even with the shorter barrel. I wouldn’t assume it can’t be made to shoot well. But…we’ll see. Next week.
I do worry that the shorter barrel will have me shooting a slow enough load with that 123 gr bullet that mimics my old 35 Remington. That’s what has me thinking about using lighter bullets. If, by chance, the 95 gr V-Max and the 100 gr Nosler shoot to nearly the same place, I can use the cheap V-Max for general use and the more expensive Nosler for more serious uses. That would be ideal. I know for a fact that the 100 gr Nosler BT will work on deer and hogs, but they aren’t cheap and they are often hard to find.
I’d imagine that a lot of Grendel shooters have had the same ideas about bullet weight and velocity in 16” barrels. It is an odd question, since the bullet has little, if anything, to do with the groups opening up. For what it’s worth, I recommend the 123 eld-m. I’ve killed piles of deer and pigs with that bullet in the Grendel.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 01:58 PM
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If some hogs don’t show up, I won’t have much need to load up more ammo. It’s not a pig meat issue though, at the moment. The neighbor trapped 3 out of a big sounder and gave me plenty of meat. And I sharpened all his dull skinning knives in return.
The suggested 123 ELD-M would probably work just fine, but I’m not short of bullets. What I don’t know right now is how many of each of those bullets I have on hand. I do think that I have a bunch of the 123 SSTs, so I should go ahead and use them.
I wonder why there aren’t more Grendel bullets for game that are in the 100 grain weight. That seems to me to be a sweet spot for short barrel velocity.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 03:09 PM
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It is just a powder charge issue. And potentially a powder selection issue. Shortening a barrel, it is usually appropriate to go with a faster burn rate powder, and test powder charges again. The barrel still possesses the appropriate twist rate of the length of the bullet. Muzzle velocity is going to be less, but the short barrel is the stiff barrel. It is often easier to find an appropriate new load, in some aspects. In other aspects it is difficult, because every charge looks acceptable. Every charge looks acceptable, because the barrel flexes less, being shorter. Another reason 200 yard groups is so important. A "bad load" can look very good at 100 yards.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 05:38 PM
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I don’t think I’ll have any trouble finding a good load with any bullet I have on hand. The powder is H335, so finding a faster powder isn’t on my to do list. The longest shot I should have to make would be about 250 yards, for a coyote at the designated carcass dump spot. Honestly, the toughest problem with accuracy is the trigger. I don’t want user error complicating load workup. I think maybe I’ll replace it before this next workup session. I’ll have to give some thought as to what to replace it with. Single stage? Double stage? And whose? And how light a pull?
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 06:10 PM
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H-335 is plenty fast of a burn rate.
Giselle triggers usually get a nod
Trigger Tech triggers I put in bolt actions. And they are excellent. They also make AR triggers.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 06:23 PM
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I have killed most of my critters with the 123gr A-Max and some with the SST both of which were both designed for the Grendel. I got some 129gr LRAB Noslers and really like the in my Grendels. Accuracy is good enough sub MOA in both rifles out to 400 and 500 yards and effective on hogs out there or deer and hogs close in so far all have left a nice exit hole, cannot say that for the SST or A-Max.
120gr Gold dot is another good one in the Grendel
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 08:01 PM
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Why would you continue to load that bullet if for stated reasons it won’t shoot well ?
What were group sizes and velocities before and after the shortening of the barrel ? He was asking why I’d use that bullet (the SST) if it wouldn’t shoot well. I thought it an odd question because I expect to be able to work up a good load even with the shorter barrel.
I’d imagine that a lot of Grendel shooters have had the same ideas about bullet weight and velocity in 16” barrels. Understood. I was referring to the 2nd question, which is certainly legitimate. You were referring to the first question. Anyway, you're right about Grendels and 16" barrels. Most I've seen are 16 and on ARs. As I recall, most published data is for 20" barrels. While a lot of ARs don't really benefit from a longer barrel, the Grendel certainly does. I wish you luck.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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The rifle upper was bought from a fellow that was having another Grendel built, and it had a 20” barrel. It was just too long and heavy to suit me, so I finally took it to a smith and asked that it be shortened to 18” and no flash hider. He cut the dang thing to 16” WITH a flash hider. Do people not listen any more? So I have a 16” barrel.
Looking at a CMC 2 stage drop in trigger.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 09:41 PM
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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I grab a piece of blue tape right in front of the rifle owner. Write what they want done on the blue tape with a Sharpie. Then stick it to the rifle. How very 20th century of you. I bet it works.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 10:55 PM
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I grab a piece of blue tape right in front of the rifle owner. Write what they want done on the blue tape with a Sharpie. Then stick it to the rifle. How very 20th century of you. I bet it works. It does.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/14/25 11:21 PM
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I grab a piece of blue tape right in front of the rifle owner. Write what they want done on the blue tape with a Sharpie. Then stick it to the rifle. How very 20th century of you. I bet it works. Judd calls me an old soul. I've never failed to follow what is requested, though.
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Re: Might switch bullets in Grendel
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02/22/25 08:19 PM
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The Grendel now has a Triggertech Diamond 2 stage trigger, with adjustable pull weight. Just took the rifle to the bench and shot a nice 3 shot group into the 1” bullseye. So, for what it’s worth, the shorter (16”) barrel puts the bullet where the 20” barrel length put it. The problem with accuracy was the trigger, or my handling of the trigger. Either mechanical error or user error. Probably more user error if I have to be honest. This Triggertech Diamond is some crisp. Feels like a good bolt action trigger. Wasn’t cheap.
I am going to the 100 gr Nosler BT for general pig, coyote, and eventually maybe deer use.
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